GSL news.

[AZRogue]

I just re-read things and once again was filled with warm fuzzies. I have to admit that I thought the whole thing was going out the door but WotC happily proved me wrong. For which I'm very grateful!

I, too, am curious about the restriction on the license to "fantasy". I don't mind it, of course, since they ARE, they said, coming out with a second part that is for the non-fantasy stuff (which I love too). I'm just curious how it will all work together.

I don't think that I'll ever know just how difficult this was to get through and get done. I honestly don't have a clue to even make up a decent theory. All I do know is that I'm happy, grateful, and impelled to once again say thank you. I don't know who is responsible, but whoever you are, thanks.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

b)Any question of their intent in this area is clearly rebutted by their own FAQ which, I suspect, they've read.

Reminds me of a (police education) logic test my father told me about:
"Pencils can write, but not read. Books can read, but not write. Can Books read Pencils?"
<enter some permutations>
"WotC can write FAQs. Fans can read FAQs. Can WotC read FAQs?"

 

[Ydars]

The strange thing is, Le Rouse has really changed his tone on the GSL since the post he made about "no standalone 3rd party products" that Ainatin linked to. I detect that the WoTC staff in general are now bending over backwards to show us how open this game is going to be! I suspect that the final GSL WoTC will release is going to be significantly different from the one they envisaged when they made the original GSL annoucement; perhaps even more open than was originally planned.

I would like to think we all had something to do with that, given that WoTC staff seem to spend time here. Orcus does evenseem to hint that this might be the case. Intriguing!!

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

The strange thing is, Le Rouse has really changed his tone on the GSL since the post he made about "no standalone 3rd party products" that Ainatin linked to.

Stranger still, the position and the tone is still evolving!

It's like Christmas morning every day, a little something new and exciting to discover about the GSL every time you come back to the thread.

Well, that is, if on Christmas morning you got an X-Box but your folks said you could only play with it if you ditched your PS2.

 

[DaveMage]

"As The License Turns."

 

[lurkinglidda]

I suspect that the final GSL WoTC will release is going to be significantly different from the one they envisaged when they made the original GSL annoucement; perhaps even more open than was originally planned.

I would like to think we all had something to do with that, given that WoTC staff seem to spend time here. Orcus does evenseem to hint that this might be the case. Intriguing!!

qft!

 

[lurkinglidda]

"As The License Turns."

It's funny cuz it's true.

 

[Imaro]

I just wanted to weigh in with some of my thoughts about this...

I think this isn't a particularly "gamer friendly" move by WotC. My biggest beef with all this is that they are, through the GSL, purposefully destroying (if certain publishers choose to go this route) alot of creative work. Games such as True20, Mutants and Masterminds, Conan d20, Babylon5 d20, Midnight 2nd ed., etc. Must basically cease to exist if these companies want to go with 4e. These are games that were created before 4e was even known about and it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that these creative works must disappear in order for these publishers to support D&D.

I honestly hate the stifling nature that this new GSL seems to be imposing. D&D rules as RAW may not support every fantasy setting and I have seen WotC's general lack at pushing the envelope when it comes to this...yet the 3rd party publishers did, and many benefited from being willing to take that risk. Now they are being told to either give up what they have created or be unable to support a game which, IMHO, was made richer by their contributions.

I honestly would have stopped playing D&D a while ago if it wasn't for Midnight and Iron Kingdoms giving me settings I really liked, the adventures by Paizo, True20 that kept me in d20 with it's adaptability and Mongoose who gave me the Lonewolf rpg which was a much simpler and easier to grasp version of a d20 game that I used to introduce new people to the basics with...I have less of a problem with WotC saying from the point you accept the new GSL you must only publish 4th ed products(though I still find this heavy handed since the game could still have less than stellar reception from gamers)...but it just seems a disservice to the hobby to try and take away the range of choice that the OGL has offered gamers.

I saw a lot of prople get offended when White Wolf offered a copy of Exalted for the PHB and it was made known the book would be destroyed, yet in my mind this is worse on a much larger scale. YMMV of course but just a few of my thoughts about this announcement.

 

[beverson]

Near as I can tell, most of annoying repetitions are of my opinions, not of putative facts.

THIS was my point. As much as the endless repetition of false facts annoys you, your endless repetitions of the same opinions annoys others. Perhaps you should put yourself in their shoes for a few miles...

 

[Lizard]

THIS was my point. As much as the endless repetition of false facts annoys you, your endless repetitions of the same opinions annoys others. Perhaps you should put yourself in their shoes for a few miles...

So, it's exactly like that, except that it isn't -- unless you consider facts and opinions of equal worth.