GSL news.

[SSquirrel]

I love the anecdotal rebuttals found here Now my old gaming group isn't here in Louisville, but of my friends who game here in town all 5 of us are excited about 4E and pretty much bored of 3E. My other gamer friends back in Iowa who have looked at all the new info on 4E like what they've seen in a similar margin, so that's 10 of 10 of my gaming friends who are moving to 4E. Personally the only way I see myself playing anything 3E related in the near future is if I finally get off my ass and run AE/Ptolus

 

[Ds Da Man]

3e has caused us to quit playing D&D for awhile now. No one wants to DM. 4e will definately be a refreshing RPG wind.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Take it from an MBA- You have no idea where my buddies and I fall in the demographics.

 

[Wisdom Penalty]

Take it from an MBA- You have no idea where my buddies and I fall in the demographics.

I'm in two groups. Five guys in one, and (a ridiculously high number of) 9 in the other.

All of us are excited to try 4E. So we cancel you out. FTW!

Note that I said - try. I'd say all of us have a varying degree of open-mindedness toward the whole thing, and that probably bodes well to giving 4E a fair shake. Some of what we're read, we've liked. Some of what we've read, we haven't. What we aren't gonna do is burn our bras and run around campus shouting Death to Healing Surges!!! without having actually (here's a thought) played the game.

And yes, I have an MBA, too. Which basically means...squat.*

Wis

* If one defines "squat" as $60,000+ poorer.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

And yes, I have an MBA, too. Which basically means...squat.*

Well, it means that you probably have a better understanding of "target demographic" than does someone else, and what it takes to exclude or include someone within it.

You probably also understand things like "early adopters," "trendsetters" and "disposable income" and what they mean for the success or failure of a product.

What we aren't gonna do is burn our bras and run around campus shouting Death to Healing Surges!!! without having actually (here's a thought) played the game.

And you might want to include me in that group, but on the more pessimistic side.

I haven't decided on the quality of the game, and I won't until I have my pre-ordered Core 3. I don't know- it may be a great game, but my gut feeling about how much I'm going to enjoy the game as D&D based on everything I've read is, on the balance, negative.

I was, however, pointing out the purely anectdotal fact that I know a lot of gamers who have decided to give 4Ed a pass already, and know none who are gung-ho for 4Ed. I was agreeing with another poster, and was told I "don't matter at all" for doing so.

 

[TheAuldGrump]

I'm in two groups. Five guys in one, and (a ridiculously high number of) 9 in the other.

All of us are excited to try 4E. So we cancel you out. FTW!

Note that I said - try. I'd say all of us have a varying degree of open-mindedness toward the whole thing, and that probably bodes well to giving 4E a fair shake. Some of what we're read, we've liked. Some of what we've read, we haven't. What we aren't gonna do is burn our bras and run around campus shouting Death to Healing Surges!!! without having actually (here's a thought) played the game.

And yes, I have an MBA, too. Which basically means...squat.*

Wis

* If one defines "squat" as $60,000+ poorer.

Three groups - two with six players, one with six and a half (makes it every other session), not including myself. None of us have any interest in 4e. Your cancellation has been canceled.

We already have enough miniatures games with RPG elements to keep us satisfied, and the policies coming out of WotC, even when they have been rescinded, make it easy to decide where not to send our gaming dollars.

The Auld Grump, economic politics has more to do with these decisions than any other factor.

 

[DandD]

I am going to play D&D with the books, not with the miniatures. And my friends show interest in it. So, let's just stop with that cancellation of cancelling that cancels the amount of people who may or may not play D&D whateveredition. In the end, it all depends on the game mechanics and how much the gaming group accepts them.

 

[TheAuldGrump]

I am going to play D&D with the books, not with the miniatures. And my friends show interest in it. So, let's just stop with that cancellation of cancelling that cancels the amount of people who may or may not play D&D whateveredition. In the end, it all depends on the game mechanics and how much the gaming group accepts them.

Meh, not all that interested in Algebraic Gaming, except in regards to zero sum games. My comment on the cancellation being canceled was made with humorous intent.

If WotC goes through with the whole 'pick 3.X or 4.0 not both, and the choice is company wide' then I will be avoiding WotC products in the future. I am not advocating a boycott, but stating my personal choice as a gamer who still very much likes 3.X. I do not want to see an enforced choice. If market pressures lead to the dropping ox the older edition then fine, but I much dislike the strong arm tactics, if indeed that is the road that WotC chooses to take.

If they do not put through the purported policy then I will still not be likely to get 4.0, but more from lack of interest - I would still look at WotC products, and if someone else were running a 4.0 game (and there was no 3.5 or Spycraft 2.0 games available) then I might play it. If they came out with some really great looking minis that I could repaint to my satisfaction then I might show interest.

To be fair, and I really wasn't before - I use miniatures in almost all my D20/OGL games, it was not so much the miniatures element that bothered me as that it feels like the minis (and the sales of the minis) are the main thrust of the game now. When I want a game like that I play Mordheim. (And win more than my fair share, too! )

The Auld Grump, working on Steampunk material... me prose has gone all stilted 'n' stuff.

 

[shocklee]

While I understand the argument for creating the separate company, I'm not quite sure why anyone would bother. Will the content that can be published under the new license be enough to sustain a company? I think that point that nobody gets is that the new license is not only designed to push the company forward into 4.0, but also is much more restrictive on what the company can sell. Precisely how can you create a Spycraft, Conan, Mutants&Masterminds... when you cannot "Describe a process for Creating a Character"?

The question is, how many companies can sustain their business by just selling adventures and add on books? Yes, I realize that there are companies that do nothing but that, but my point is that the market has now shrunk because of the new license restrictions. A Green Ronin 3.5 that can sell M&M and True20 is certainly a lot more profitable than Green Ronin 4.0. I imagine that it will be a very tough business decision to take Freeport into 4.0 and pull it out of True20.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

I think that point that nobody gets is that the new license is not only designed to push the company forward into 4.0, but also is much more restrictive on what the company can sell. Precisely how can you create a Spycraft, Conan, Mutants&Masterminds... when you cannot "Describe a process for Creating a Character"?

Actually you can still do all these settings and more, you just need to put into the book that you have to reference the Dungeons & Dragon 4th Edition PHB for details about character creation. You then state that "instead of using base classes and races listed in the PHB, use the following:..." and "When you gain experience points, refer to the Dungeons & Dragon 4th Edition DMG for information about how many experience points are needed to go up a level and what steps are taken to then improve your PC."

I doubt (without seeing it to know for certain) there is anything preventing publishers under the GSL from creating new classes, races, feats, skills, powers etc.

The main thing WotC wants from the new restictions on the GSL is to prevent a group of brand new players from picking up the 4e d20 Spycraft source book and playing the game that WotC created without WotC ever getting anything for it. By making them reference the D&D books for some of the most basic parts of the game, they ensure they WotC gets something for their efforts at creating the game and allowing others to use it under license.