Normally, a grapple or disarm attempt will provoke an AOO. What happens when the suject of the grapple or sunder can not reach the attacker? Example: a half-ogre is attempting to disarm a human. Does the human get to make an AOO, even though he normally can not reach the half-ogre?
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Half-Ogre and Attacks of Opportunity
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the Jester
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Well, couldn't he use the AoO to attempt to disarm or sunder, since the half-orc is reaching him at that point with his weapon? This may not be allowable by the RAW but I find it reasonable (and in fact I find it unreasonable not to allow this sort of thing at least with readied actions).
ThirdWizard
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No Attack of Opportunity.
Nope, can't do either of those things. You can take a 5' Step as part of a readied action, however!
the Jester said:
Nope, can't do either of those things. You can take a 5' Step as part of a readied action, however!
Hypersmurf
Moderatarrrrh...
the Jester said:
Firstly, an AoO is provoked by someone taking certain actions within a threatened square. Not threatened? No provoke.
Secondly, Sunder doesn't carry footnote 7 on the Table of Action Types (which would allow it to be used on an AoO). Instead, it's listed as a standard action.
There was an answer in the 3E Main FAQ that talked about using a readied action to cast a touch spell and touch a natural weapon being used to hit you by a creature who was outside your own reach. This could be extended to apply to Sunder against a reach weapon, for example.
-Hyp.
UltimaGabe
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Hypersmurf said:
I believe that was a misprint, and was fixed in the errata. I could be wrong, however.
Anyway, although Disarm and Sunder wouldn't provoke an attack of opportunity if the attacker had read, Grapple would still provoke- as Grappling requires you to move into the target's space. And, as we all know, movement through a person's space provokes an attack of opportunity.
Hypersmurf
Moderatarrrrh...
UltimaGabe said:
No. No mention in the errata.
The FAQ says "It's listed as a standard action because it provokes an AoO", which is a spurious response, since Disarm and Grapple both provoke AoOs, and they're listed as "Action Type: Varies" and carry footnote 7... not as "Standard Action" with no footnote.
Nope.
Step 1: Attack of Opportunity. You provoke an attack of opportunity from the target you are trying to grapple. If the attack of opportunity deals damage, the grapple attempt fails. (Certain monsters do not provoke attacks of opportunity when they attempt to grapple, nor do characters with the Improved Grapple feat.) If the attack of opportunity misses or fails to deal damage, proceed to Step 2.
Step 2: Grab. You make a melee touch attack to grab the target. If you fail to hit the target, the grapple attempt fails. If you succeed, proceed to Step 3.
Step 3: Hold. Make an opposed grapple check as a free action. If you succeed, you and your target are now grappling, and you deal damage to the target as if with an unarmed strike.
If you lose, you fail to start the grapple. You automatically lose an attempt to hold if the target is two or more size categories larger than you are.
In case of a tie, the combatant with the higher grapple check modifier wins. If this is a tie, roll again to break the tie.
Step 4: Maintain Grapple. To maintain the grapple for later rounds, you must move into the target’s space. (This movement is free and doesn’t count as part of your movement in the round.) Moving, as normal, provokes attacks of opportunity from threatening opponents, but not from your target.
Step 1 - the AoO you provoke from your target - is before you move, so you're not in a threatened square.
Step 4 - the AoO for movement - explicitly excludes your target.
No AoO.
-Hyp.
