Half-orc revision?

Kae'Yoss · Feb 8, 2003

None, but I'm inclined to change favored classes based on religion (drow rogues of Vhaeraun anyone?)

niteshade6 · Feb 10, 2003

Well some people had said they made some kind of house rule to limit multi-classing, so clearly that's not it. If anything that would encourage multi-classing by letting you pretty much have whatever favored class you wanted, making half elves even worse.

Hypersmurf · Feb 10, 2003

If anything that would encourage multi-classing by letting you pretty much have whatever favored class you wanted, making half elves even worse.

I thought I met a 3E half-elf once...

... but it turned out to be a human whose ears had been stretched in a freak mill accident.

As far as I can tell, they're only in the PHB as flavour text...

-Hyp.

Kae'Yoss · Feb 10, 2003

niteshade6 said:
Well some people had said they made some kind of house rule to limit multi-classing, so clearly that's not it. If anything that would encourage multi-classing by letting you pretty much have whatever favored class you wanted, making half elves even worse.

I think it's wrong to limit multiclassing (limits are for 2e), especially not because it makes half-elves worse. I do hope they boos the half-elves a little in 3.5. But multiclassing is a nice aspect of the d20 rules and should be encouraged, not restricted.

niteshade6 · Feb 11, 2003

Actualy 3e is all about getting penalties for doing things a certain way (as opposed to it being forbidden). Multiclassing was supposed to be limited so you couldn't just tack on lots of levels of lots of different classes, but it is very to get around the limitations.

Multiclassing is definetely one of the coolest things about 3E, but it does get to the point where it can get a little ridiculous.

Li Shenron · Feb 11, 2003

niteshade6 said:
Multiclassing is definetely one of the coolest things about 3E, but it does get to the point where it can get a little ridiculous.

Very well summed up

silvertable81 · Feb 11, 2003

Wasn't the Bard a three class multi? In our campaign we have
a Rogue/Fighter/Transmuter,
a Monk/Psion,
a Fighter/Cleric of Kord,
a Fighter/Psychic Warrior,
a Mage,
a Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple,
&
a Fighter/Order of the Bow

As I see it all the above Multi-classes balance.

Darklone · Feb 11, 2003

IMHO the multiclassing limit with XP penalty has become silly as soon as you include Prestige classes.

Kae'Yoss · Feb 11, 2003

Darklone said:
IMHO the multiclassing limit with XP penalty has become silly as soon as you include Prestige classes.

That's why PrC's don't count when calculating XP penalties.

Li Shenron · Feb 11, 2003

I think multiclassing should be an interesting option, but I dislike how munchkin players use it as a cheap way to increase a PC's power. This goes for both taking the 1st level in few core classes and for taking 3-4 PrCls. The problem is that multiclassing penalties are easy to circumvent: they should be either more effective or wiped out completely (there are other RPGs with no classes, just abilities, so why not playing one of them?).

3ed attitude is towards "options, not restriction", and that's very good indeed. 2ed multiclassing rules were too rigid (and dual-classing was awfully nonsense); the 3ed is a HUGE improvement, but heavy-multiclassed PCs tend to become a (useful) bunch of abilities with no real role at all.

When I was a DM, I never used house-rules or extra restrictions on multiclassing, and I was pleased to see my players be singleclass or otherwise have a reason to be more than 1 class. You have a level of Ranger? Fine. Explain why your PC is a ranger to some extent, and Rplay accordingly (if you're partly a Ranger, why do you care nothing at all about nature? how after X levels of Fighter you got a level in Barbarian and your life didn't change a bit? etc.). The ultimate weapon in the hands of a DM is to give bonus Xp for good RPing - although it doesn't seem a common habit - which is usually more difficult for a multiclassed PC (and worse for a multiPrestigeClassed PC).