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Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

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The specter of sexual harassment has once again risen up in tabletop gaming circles. Conventions are supposed to be places where gamers and geeks can be themselves and embrace their loves. Conventions need clear and well formulated harassment policies, and they need to enforce them. In this instance the allegations from multiple women have taken place at gaming conventions and gathering in different locations around the country. In one case, the harassment was took place over the course of years and spilled over into electronic formats.


The alleged harasser in these cases was Sean Patrick Fannon, President of Evil Beagle Games, Brand Manager for Savage Rifts at Pinnacle Entertainment Group, as well as being a game designer and developer with a long history in the tabletop role-playing industry.

There is a long and untenable policy of harassment at conventions that stretches back to science fiction and fantasy fandom in the 1960s. Atlanta's Dragon*Con has been a lightning rod in the discussions about safety at geeky conventions after one of the convention's founders was arrested and pled guilty to three charges of molestation. We have also covered reports of harassment at conventions such as Paizo Con, and inappropriate or harassing behavior by notable industry figures. It is clear that clear harassment policies and firm enforcement of them is needed in spaces where members of our community gather, in order that attendees feel safe to go about their hobby. Some companies, such as Pelgrane Press, now refuse to attend conventions where a clear harassment policy is not available.

Several women have approached me to tell me about encounters with Fannon. Some of them asked not to be named, or to use their reports for background verification only. We also reached out to Sean Patrick Fannon for his comments, and he was willing to address the allegations.

The women that I spoke with had encounters with Fannon that went back to 2013 and 2014 but also happened as recently as the summer of 2017. Each of the locations were in different parts of the country, but all of them occurred when Fannon was a guest of the event.

The worse of the two incidents related to me happened at a convention in the Eastern part of the United States. In going back over texts and messages stretching back years the woman said that it "is frustrating [now] to read these things" because of the cajoling and almost bullying approach that Fannon would use in the messages. She said that Fannon approached her at the con suite of the convention, and after speaking with her for a bit and playing a game with a group in the suite he showed her explicit photos on his cellphone of him engaged in sex acts with a woman.

Fannon's ongoing harassment of this woman would occur both electronically and in person, when they would both be at the same event, and over the course of years he would continue to suggest that she should engage in sexual acts, either with him alone, or with another woman.

Fannon denies the nature of the event, saying "I will assert with confidence that at no time would such a sharing have occurred without my understanding explicit consent on the part of all parties. It may be that, somehow, a miscommunication or misunderstanding occurred; the chaos of a party or social gathering may have created a circumstance of all parties not understanding the same thing within such a discourse. Regardless, I would not have opened such a file and shared it without believing, sincerely, it was a welcome part of the discussion (and in pursuit of further, mutually-expressed intimate interest)."

The second woman, at a different gaming-related event in another part of the country, told of how Fannon, over the course of a day at the event, asked her on four different occasions for hugs, or physical contact with her. Each time she clearly said no to him. The first time she qualified her answer with a "I don't even know you," which prompted Fannon after he saw her for a second time to say "Well, you know me now." She said that because of the multiple attempts in a short period of time that Fannon's behavior felt predatory to her. Afterwards he also attempted to connect with her via Facebook.

Afterwards, this second woman contacted the group that organized the event to share what happened and they reached out to Fannon with their concerns towards his behavior. According to sources within the organization at the time, Fannon - as with the first example - described it to the organizers as a misunderstanding on the woman's part. When asked, he later clarified to us that the misunderstanding was on his own side, saying "Honestly, I should have gotten over myself right at the start, simply owned that I misunderstood, and apologized. In the end, that's what happened, and I walked away from that with a pretty profound sense of how to go forward with my thinking about the personal space of those I don't know or know only in passing."

Both women faced ongoing pressure from Fannon, with one woman the experiences going on for a number of years after the initial convention meeting. In both cases he attempted to continue contact via electronic means with varying degrees of success. A number of screen shots from electronic conversations with Fannon were shared with me by both women.

Diane Bulkeley was willing to come forward and speak on the record of her incidents with Fannon. Fannon made seemingly innocent, and yet inappropriate comments about her body and what he wanted to do with her. She is part of a charity organization that had Fannon as a guest. What happened to her was witnessed by another woman with whom I spoke about that weekend. As Bulkeley heard some things, and her witness others, their experiences are interwoven to describe what happened. Bulkeley described this first encounter at the hotel's elevators: "We were on the floor where our rooms were to go downstairs to the convention floor. I was wearing a tank top and shirt over it that showed my cleavage. He was staring at my chest and said how much he loved my shirt and that I should wear it more often as it makes him hot. For the record I can't help my cleavage is there." Bulkeley went on to describe her mental state towards this "Paying a lady a compliment is one thing, but when you make a direct comment about their chest we have a problem."

Later on in the same day, while unloading some boxes for the convention there was another incident with Fannon. Bulkeley described this: "Well, [the witness and her husband] had to move their stuff from a friends airplane hangar (we all use as storage for cars and stuff) to a storage until next to their house. Apparently Sean, while at the hanger, made grunt noises about my tank top (it was 80 outside) while Tammy was in the truck. I did not see it. But she told me about it. Then as we were unloading the truck at the new facility Sean kept looking down my shirt and saying I have a great view etc. Her husband said to him to knock it off. I rolled my eyes, gave him a glare and continued to work. I did go and put on my event day jacket (light weight jacket) to cover up a little."

The witness, who was in the truck with Fannon, said that he "kept leering down at Diane, glancing down her shirt and making suggestive sounds." The witness said that Fannon commented "'I'm liking the view from up here.'"

Bulkeley talked about how Fannon continued his behavior later on in a restaurant, having dinner with some of the guests of the event. Fannon made inappropriate comments about her body and embarrassed her in front of the other, making her feel uncomfortable throughout the dinner.

Bulkeley said that Fannon also at one point touched her hair without asking, and smelled it as well. "[Fannon] even would smell my long hair. He begged me to not cut it off at a charity function that was part of the weekend's event." She said that he also pressed his pelvis tightly against her body while hugging her. These incidents occurred at a convention during the summer of 2017.

Fannon denies these events. "The comments and actions attributed to me simply did not happen; I categorically and absolutely deny them in their entirety."

When asked for comment, and being informed that this story was being compiled Fannon commented "I do not recall any such circumstance in which the aftermath included a discourse whereby I was informed of distress, anger, or discomfort." He went on to say "The only time I recall having ever been counseled or otherwise spoken to about my behavior in such matters is the Gamers Giving/Total Escape Games situation discussed above. The leader of the organization at that time spoke to me specifically, asked me to be aware that it had been an issue, and requested I be aware of it in the future. It was then formally dropped, and that was the end of it until this time."

There were further reports; however, we have respected the wishes of those women who asked to remain anonymous for fear of online harassment. In researching this article, I talked to multiple women and other witnesses.

About future actions against the alleged behaviors he also said "It is easy, after all, to directly attack and excise obviously predatory and harassing behavior. It is much more difficult to point out and correct behavior that falls within more subtle presentations, and it's more difficult to get folks to see their actions as harmful when they had no intention to cause harm, based on their assumptions of what is and isn't appropriate. It's good for us to look at the core assumptions that lead to those behaviors and continue to challenge them. That's how real and lasting change within society is achieved."

Fannon's weekly column will no longer be running on E.N. World.

Have you suffered harassment at the hands of someone, industry insider or otherwise, at a gaming convention? If you would like to tell your story, you can reach out to me via social media about any alleged incidents. We can speak confidentially, but I will have to know the identity of anyone that I speak with.

This does open up the question of: At what point do conventions become responsible for the actions of their guest, when they are not more closely scrutinizing the backgrounds of those guests? One woman, who is a convention organizer, with whom I spoke for the background of this story told me that word gets around, in the world of comic conventions, when guests and creators cause problems. Apparently this is not yet the case in the world of tabletop role-playing game conventions, because there are a growing number of publishers and designers who have been outed for various types of harassing behavior, but are still being invited to be guest, and in some cases even guests of honor, at gaming conventions around the country. The message that this sends to women who game is pretty clear.

More conventions are rolling out harassment policies for guests and attendees of their conventions. Not only does this help to protect attendees from bad behavior, but it can also help to protect conventions from bad actors within the various communities that gather at our conventions. As incidents of physical and sexual harassment are becoming more visible, it becomes more and more clear that something needs to be done.

additional editorial contributions by Morrus
 

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Which part of your brain is failing to register that until very recently men were essentially NEVER held accountable because women did go to the police, or their HR department, or their supervisor, and nobody ever did jack :):):):) about it?

Going to the press is apparently the only thing that actually works.
Putting innocent people behind bars doesn't rectify what occurred in the past. The standards of proof is the same whether the accuser is a man or a woman, and besides even in the past, when a woman made an accusation, sometimes people were hung for being witches, the authorities took the word of those women seriously and accepted their word that the accused were witches and hung them accordingly.

In the past women didn't have the same rights as they do today, but men were still protective of them. If you were a man living in the 1600s, and your wife accuses someone of sexual harassment, you are going to get angry at the accused person and accept your wife's word over his own. You can't say women weren't listened to, as people did hang based on the word of women.
 

Sadras

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We need to apply a uniform standard of proof to everyone, having multiple accusers is not proof, multiple accusers can talk to one another to get their stories straight, and this doesn't just have to happen to important people that are in the news. Defining who is important and who is not is in the eye of the beholder, if someone is trying to smear someone else's reputation, then to that someone, he is important enough to do it to, like for instance a competitor in the Role Playing Game industry, if you want to sell your product and to get rid of a competitor, you can either produce a better product than he does, or you can find a bunch of women and ask them to make false claims of sexual harassment against him, then presumably people won't want to by his game, because they will consider him to be a creep. It is one of those underhanded tactics that don't produce a superior product in the game market. It is easier to undermine your competitor with gossip, than to out compete him, and all of us gamers suffer because of that.
Yes anything is possible.

But this is how I see it (and I admit it is not perfect), but we have multiple women from DIFFERENT conventions.
Then we have an Enworld poster who admits she knows him and from my perspective doesn't necessarily write a glowing piece about him as she continued to describe him as growing in character (paraphrasing here due to laziness) multiple times. If your own friend cannot vouch for you....

I dunno but that Enworld poster I feel did more harm than the original article. If the article was the dagger that post was the poison. That is how I see it.

And once again yes, that Enworld poster could also be lying. But all this to get SPF, really?
 
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Sadras

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Last, this thread was aimed one-sided! I have been to many Cons throughout my life and I have had encounters with women (and men) who harassed me or bordered on harassment. I have also recently been harassed because of my sex and color and witnessed signs put up that were NOT inclusive to my sex and color (white/male). Why didn't this thread talk about those instances? Why didn't this thread talk about specific instances with any other accused?
Feel free to to create another thread to discuss how you were harassed and about others that were accused. Usually the OP determines the course of the conversation.

EDIT: I'm not versed in law, but people often discuss the allegations of persons before they stand trial and are found guilty or not guilty on various media platforms (forums, twitter, fb...etc). Are you calling that all libel?
 
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Jester David

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Can you separate your appreciation for the work from the artist?
This recently was a major discussion around our table given the celebs and others that have been outed for their criminal and/or poor conduct. And it is not something new given the Roman Polanski and Woody Allen scandals have been around for years....with high praise being awarded to both for their films.
Wonder if the same will be afforded to Bill Cosby and the rest. And it doesn't necessary have to stop at the arts, there are other fields people can excel in i.e. sports, sciences...etc
It's tricky as there's two factors at play.
You have the desire to appreciate art for what it is. But you also have the factor of giving the artists money by consuming their art. When you go to a Polanski or Allen film or Stream it, you're giving them money. You're directly supporting the abuser.

It's easier with someone like H.P. Lovecraft. Who was an unapologetic racist. But you can read his books without supporting him or condoning his ideas because the dude is dead. Ditto Shakespeare, who left his wife and young daughter. But is now also dead.
You have more room to appreciate the good and ignore the bad (in the art).

Reruns of the Cosby show are going to be super awkward to watch now...
I'm not sure many channels continue to air that.
I know Malcolm-Jamal Warner was talking about the Cosby news as taking money from his pocket by ending re-runs.

(But the tarnishing of Cliff Huxtable does make me sad.)

Maybe when Cosby has passed we can look back at the good his did and ignore—if not forgive—the horror.

Exactly, yet praise is still lauded on Polanski (in all likelihood a pedophile who got caught earlier on) and people enjoy his movies just fine now without any awkwardness.

So, the problem with Bill Cosby is that he got caught and outed after all this artistry and thus was allowed to pursue his criminal activity for a lot longer. If he had followed Polanksi's journey it would have served him better. What a hot mess. :erm:
A lot of people feel uncomfortable with Polanski. Or, as you say, are able to separate the art from the artists. Or view it as a one-time event rather than a lifetime of abuse.
 

caljai

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Feel free to to create another thread to discuss how you were harassed and about others that were accused. Usually the OP determines the course of the conversation.
Unlike the writer and editor of this thread, I have no desire to accuse someone or someone's of harassment without proof. I don't have proof of the harassment and I don't have proof of how I felt about the harassment. So, starting a thread would be counter-productive! I simply wanted to make people aware that harassment can and has gone both ways. And "if" we are serious about wanting to stop harassment...then we must be willing to talk about every side of harassment!

As far as your edit goes...

Yes, you are not versed well in law. You are correct that many people discuss allegations on websites and the like...however, many times there are lawsuits that follow and are settled or won by the person being libeled. Because it is against the law (in the US). It is one thing to discuss the "possibility" of an action...however it is completely different to make statements of fact. In this thread on multiple occasions, the writer doesn't just imply the possibility of harassment but actually accused the person of harassment and that is a big no-no, you can discuss an Allegation...you cannot state as fact a crime of harassment without it being Libel (assuming that no crime of harassment has been committed)!
 
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billd91

Earl of Cornbread
The stereotype is that we "dorky" gamers aren't very good around women, if we try to ask a girl out, if a girl really doesn't like us, she can point a finger and claim sexual harassment, that is a very bad result. Since the guy is the one who asks out the girl and the girl simply says yes or no or claims sexual harassment, then us guys are particularly vulnerable to false charges of sexual harassment. Women aren't so vulnerable because the guy usually makes the first move. The girl has the luxury of having a guy do the approaching, and she gets to say yes or no, all the girl has to do is look pretty and attract the guy. if the guy does not make the first move, nothing happens, he doesn't get the girl, somebody else who takes the risk of sexual harassment charges does! Do you see my point?
"The girl" isn't there for you to "get". She's not a product on the shelf or a prize to be one. It's not your responsibility to go "get" her. Nor is it her responsibility to respond positively to you or that "someone else" because you made the "first move".

This whole approach and attitude sounds like the kind of entitled BS that leads to creeps describing themselves as 'incels' when the truth is they have a toxic attitude toward women.
 

Sadras

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I simply wanted to make people aware that harassment can and has gone both ways. And "if" we are serious about wanting to stop harassment...then we must be willing to talk about every side of harassment!
If SPF confesses and apologizes would that satisfy you?
So people should confess and apologise before they are accused?
 
The first instinct of the privileged when they sense they are under attack is a vigorous and spirited defense.

The first instinct of the marginalized is something quite different – acceptance, retreat, avoidance, all the while hoping others don't jump in to elevate the attack any further.

That's something I should have parsed from the very beginning of all of this. I followed my first instinct, from my position of privilege, and engaged in a vigorous and spirited defense. I sought to assert facts and point out nuances; I sought to establish problems with how the article was put together, what was missing, who might have cause to do me harm...

None of that matters.

We are in a very difficult, but very important time in our growth as a society. We are trying to tear down barriers that lie in the way of those who have suffered. We are trying to open doors, shatter ceilings, and give protection to the millions who have suffered in silence, or who were silenced.

The details of this article, frankly, don't matter anywhere near as much as I wanted to believe. What matters is that I have in some way caused damage. I have acted in manners that have caused others harm and discomfort.

What matters more is that an effort is undertaken to hear those who are in pain, giving them cover and comfort to come forth, while those like me take every such situation and reevaluate every way in which we've created discomfort and a lack of inclusivity.

I am sorry to anyone who has ever been caused harm by my actions, intentional or not. You should be a part of community without ever having to feel afraid or disgusted or objectified, and I will continue to do all I can to work towards that.

That is all that truly needs to be said about this.
 

caljai

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If SPF confesses and apologizes would that satisfy you?
So people should confess and apologise before they are accused?
I'm not sure what you are getting at here Sandras?

If a person chooses to confess and apologize then that is a good action and a good start to ending harassment, albeit a small one. This isn't about me being satisfied or any other person being satisfied. This is simply about discussions on harassment!

If a person is guilty, then yes they should confess and apologize...most won't because it's not in their best interest most of the time...again though, what does this have to do with the discussion we are having?
 
"The girl" isn't there for you to "get". She's not a product on the shelf or a prize to be one. It's not your responsibility to go "get" her. Nor is it her responsibility to respond positively to you or that "someone else" because you made the "first move".

This whole approach and attitude sounds like the kind of entitled BS that leads to creeps describing themselves as 'incels' when the truth is they have a toxic attitude toward women.
There's some surprising stuff being said in this thread; the poster you replied to is at the more extreme end of this. He seems bizarrely lacking in self-awareness in the way he talks as if his default audience is other men wondering how they can "get" women; if in fact he is being deliberate than I think it's probably even worse.
 

Jeanneliza

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I have been following this thread since it started, and there are so many issues I could address here as a woman, as a grandmother who games, and just as a decent human being but that would take a book.
I do want to state one thing to all you legal experts, or those who think rules lawyering in a game qualifies you to act as either defense or prosecution here, libel laws. The entity is in the USA so it falls under US libel laws. Proving libel is a pretty high bar, and there are several legal protections publications take in advance.
First the article clearly states that ENWorld and Mr. Helton are in possession of physical evidence, texts, emails etc that support the claims. Should they be sued for slander the courtroom is the proper place to produce that.
Second, they clearly gave Mr. Fannon an opportunity to make a statement on his own behalf, and he clearly did. And HIS statement is riddled with admissions of bad behavior in the past and at least one occasion where it was reported to Con organizers. This itself lends credibility to the claims and pretty much ends any potential for a libel suit.
Third, people have commented on here who know him personally, and they too make enough admissions to again, preclude any potential libel suit.
Fourth, this paranoid BS about jail. NO ONE is talking about sending Mr. Fannon to jail, nor could they. These are civil offense at the level reported. If he physically grabbed someone that crosses a line to simple assault, then it becomes potentially criminal, but no one has said any of these women want to take it to that level.
For a libel suit to prevail Mr. Fannon would have to prove these women are lying. His accusations about their motives are ALSO libelous, and his credibility with his own admitted pattern will be far more scrutinized in a lawsuit than the multiple accusers.
Now to the issue of free speech. There are four recognized exceptions under US law and one of them are private venues. ENWorld is a private venue under the law, i.e. not government owned. How they choose to limit or not limit speech here is a private business decision. You can boycott them if you disagree, this is a time honored form of free speech, but complaining about legal violations then demonstrating a lack of understanding of the applicable laws is just WRONG.
There is another line running through this thread I wish I had time to address, and that is a pervasive fear, or claimed fear of even talking to women because of the risk of being attacked with harassment allegations. Welcome to our world boys. I am over 60 and I don't remember a time when my gender was not routinely advised on what to say or not to say so not as to give a guy the wrong impression. There has never been a time we were not advised about where we could go safely and where the risks were higher due to the potential for assault. There was never a time when we were not encouraged to stay in groups for our own physical safety. You all know that joke about women always needing two to go the restroom? Too us it was never a joke, it was merely following the advice of protecting ourselves from harassment and assault by sticking together. Any of you guys here ever been on an elevator alone, it stops on a different floor, door opens, a woman standing there, indicates she isn't getting in, no reason or a casual'wrong way" and shrug? Because we are taught to NEVER get in an elevator alone with strange men. period. Those are just two examples of how my gender is inculcated from our first steps to protect ourselves.
Do we ignore those rules at time? Sure, and when we do and then are actually attacked and we do report it do you know the questions we have to answer? WHY were you there alone? DID YOU say anything or act in anyway to encourage the attack? Were there any witnesses because unless they leave DNA and the attacker denies it is he said/she said. The news is loaded with TRUE stories nearly daily of a woman testifying against an assailant being put on trial to prove that she in NO WAY, word, thought, or deed invited this on herself.
So now that guys may have to do the same or be treated the same we have all this outrage.
As for PC, as I said I am a grandmother, I grew up in different times, and it seems to me this resentment of PC(or in my days was simply called good manners) is pretty misplaced. But I hear ya guys, I do miss the days when an elbow to the solar plexus or a knee to the groin of some overly friendly didn't carry the risk of an assault and battery charge.
 
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Elfcrusher

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**I do not condone harassment of any kind**
And yet everything you wrote after that disclaimer essentially condones harassment by arguing for a system in which victims can't do anything about it.

Putting innocent people behind bars doesn't rectify what occurred in the past.
So we shouldn't imprison murderers? Wait...what are you saying?

In any event, people don't go to prison based on newspaper articles, let along RPG forum articles. Nor did this guy actually commit a crime. But even if he did, we'd still have the whole indictment/trial/verdict thing to deal with.

In the past women didn't have the same rights as they do today, but men were still protective of them. If you were a man living in the 1600s, and your wife accuses someone of sexual harassment, you are going to get angry at the accused person and accept your wife's word over his own. You can't say women weren't listened to, as people did hang based on the word of women.
Oh, I see. Women who are worried about harassment should FIND A MAN TO PROTECT THEM!?!?!?!

WTF?!?! What freakin' century are you from, man?

And are you suggesting that, in the case we're discussing in this thread, male friends of the victims should go to the next GenCon and...what...beat the living :):):):) out of the guy on the convention floor?

Un-f'ing-believable.

Unlike the writer and editor of this thread, I have no desire to accuse someone or someone's of harassment without proof.
Clearly the author believes he has proof.
 
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caljai

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And yet everything you wrote after that disclaimer essentially condones harassment by arguing for a system in which victims can't do anything about it.

In what way? You mean that requiring proof is condoning harassment? You mean following laws (like Libel) is condoning harassment? I'm very confused on how you reached such a skewed view. I'm arguing for a system in which facts and laws rule, not here say and allegations!





Clearly the author believes he has proof.
I'm sure he does, that in no way, shape or form constitutes proof in the eyes of the law. If the author really believes he has proof of a crime having been committed...then he should report it and turn over all of the believed "proof" (evidence)...otherwise they could also be committing a crime (only in some states is it required)!

I'd report it LONG before i wrote a thread about it! But then again I am one who follows the law, for good reason!
 

GamesAtDawn

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Full disclosure - I created an account to make this post. Also, I personally know SPF; we are not particularly close, but I have played games with him a few times and purchased his books. I'm not here to defend him - in fact, I have little doubt that he has harassed women in the past. He has admitted to harassment already, so I'm taking the view at at the very least some of what is reported is true, and that is a problem. His initial response, to defend as well as attack Chris and two women, was a poor decision. I see that he has just posted a comment above acknowledging that his response was a mistake, so at least he recognizes that as well.


I have two serious questions. First, what would the victims like to see happen? They are the aggrieved parties, and their voices carry weight in a sea of commentators (including myself) who were not involved in the incidents. Would they like an apology? Do they want SPF banned from future gaming events? Do they think he should lose his job? Are they looking to raise awareness so other perpetrators will be put on notice? If so, does SFP have a role to play there? I saw nothing in the original article to indicate the wishes of the victims, and only Chris (and perhaps Morrus) are in a position to share that information, with the women's consent, of course.


Second, what are the best next steps for our industry as a whole? Harassment is a huge issue in the gaming industry, and it seems clear that SPF has been part of that problem. That has been raised to the consciousness of a fairly tightly-knit community, and some who defended SPF while many who have condemned him. There is a point to be made that such publicity will put other harassers on notice, but many perpetrators are not public figures in the gaming world and have much less to lose than SPF from a public shaming. Can we leverage SPF's bad behaviors in a positive way moving forward? Perhaps he could be involved on panels on the problematic nature of sexual harassment in our hobby, or perhaps Chris and Morrus, if they feel strongly about investing in addressing sexual harassment, can provide information and forums for gamers and event organizers to discuss the issue of harassment and organize rules and speakers to combat it.

The original article began discussing the greater issue in our hobby, but aside from some general comments on the need for harassment policies, it focused largely on SFP. SFP is not the first harasser to be shamed in a public forum, nor will he (sadly) be the last. Harassment policies are an important step, but all gamers need to know that it is our responsibility to speak up when we see harassment. I certainly don't have all the answers, but I'd like to see the many commentators denying the problem of harassment in our hobby come to understand it better, and be part of the solution.
 

Obryn

Villager
I'm sure he does, that in no way, shape or form constitutes proof in the eyes of the law. If the author really believes he has proof of a crime having been committed...then he should report it and turn over all of the believed "proof" (evidence)...otherwise they could also be committing a crime (only in some states is it required)!

I'd report it LONG before i wrote a thread about it! But then again I am one who follows the law, for good reason!
You seem very ... confused ... about the differences between lawsuits and journalism, and about the differing standards of evidence at stake.

You also keep on retreating to a 'crime' comparison - probably because you know very well that a criminal case has an exceedingly strict standard of evidence, whereas neither civil suits nor journalism require what a criminal conviction requires. It's a cute and altogether transparent way to shift the goalposts.
 

billd91

Earl of Cornbread
There is another line running through this thread I wish I had time to address, and that is a pervasive fear, or claimed fear of even talking to women because of the risk of being attacked with harassment allegations. Welcome to our world boys. I am over 60 and I don't remember a time when my gender was not routinely advised on what to say or not to say so not as to give a guy the wrong impression. There has never been a time we were not advised about where we could go safely and where the risks were higher due to the potential for assault. There was never a time when we were not encouraged to stay in groups for our own physical safety. You all know that joke about women always needing two to go the restroom? Too us it was never a joke, it was merely following the advice of protecting ourselves from harassment and assault by sticking together. Any of you guys here ever been on an elevator alone, it stops on a different floor, door opens, a woman standing there, indicates she isn't getting in, no reason or a casual'wrong way" and shrug? Because we are taught to NEVER get in an elevator alone with strange men. period. Those are just two examples of how my gender is inculcated from our first steps to protect ourselves.
Quoted for emphasis.
 

DM Magic

Villager
I'm sure he does, that in no way, shape or form constitutes proof in the eyes of the law. If the author really believes he has proof of a crime having been committed...then he should report it and turn over all of the believed "proof" (evidence)...otherwise they could also be committing a crime (only in some states is it required)!

I'd report it LONG before i wrote a thread about it! But then again I am one who follows the law, for good reason!
This has to be a joke. Right? You're kidding. You must be. No one can be this obtuse.
 
First time poster. I created an account a year ago, but never felt a need to post on the forum. I have enjoyed and appreciated the articles that show up in my email box. I have enjoyed the snapshots provided regarding our shared hobby. I have been reading this thread and others for days.

I know Sean Fannon. I have known him for over a decade. At first that was what brought me here, a vested interest in something that had to do with my friend. I have to admit some disappointment from the things I have read here. The dissection of the article. The dissection of Sean's lengthy response. The railing against Morrus and Helton. The discussions of legalities and journalistic integrity. But at the end of the day, to me, none of that matters.

What matters to me is an earnest discussion and reminder to all of us, regarding our behaviors within a hobby and community that we love. And to listen to the plight of women in our community who have been silenced, to offer them an open forum and acknowledge their struggle, their pains and validate that experience. By being willing to open ourselves up, to acknowledging their truth we can start to move our community in the positive direction it needs to.

This is a perfect opportunity to set aside all the :):):):), to genuinely take a look at ourselves, our friends, our leaders and our "celebrities" and decide we are ready to take a stand. To give back voice and empowerment to those who have been silenced with a culture of fear. I know that I am ashamed, both by actions that I have taken in my past towards others and also my actions in the present where I didn't stand up for someone when I should have. That I didn't call my friends on their :):):):):):):):). This article has made me stop and critically reflect upon those actions. In this regard, I thank profoundly Morrus and Helton.

Sean has made statements to the community. He's attempted to defend himself. To explain himself. To acknowledge his actions. For me, this is a good first step. As a friend once told me, "I will never blame you for who you are, only if you choose to remain that way." I will continue to love my friend. But I will also try to help him become the man he wants to be and maybe along the way help make all those around me the people we need and deserve to be; Caring, compassionate, inclusive and respectful.

To all those who have been assaulted in any fashion, all peoples no matter gender, but more importantly to women who have for too long had to suffer with this culture of fear, I as a privileged man offer my most heartfelt apologies. I am truly sorry for having failed you and not stood up for you when you needed it most. I truly hope that we as a community, not just the users of this forum, but the greater gaming community take advantage of opportunities like this and choose to make a difference.

I know I will.
 
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