Has the wave crested? (Bo9S)

[Khuxan]

I want to develop a fighting style that's based on Mimics (the creature), that uses disguise as the key skill. It would be awesome.

When you make some progress, tell us. There are some big fans of the book that would be happy to help.

 

[Razz]

Core barbarian: half-orc, level 20, Strength 18 + 2 racial + 5 levels + 6 belt + 1 manual + 8 raging = Str 40, full power attack, vicious +5 greataxe, full attack action = four attacks against the adamantine wall for an average of 79 damage per hit = 316 damage to the wall, -60 points for the adamantine's hardness, so 256 damage.

Warblade: half-orc, level 20, Strength 18 + 2 racial + 5 levels + 6 belt + 1 manual = Str 32, full power attack, vicious +5 greataxe, weapon specialization, Strike of Perfect Clarity = one attack against the adamantine wall for an average of 175 damage to the adamantine wall, -20 for the hardness, so 155 damage.

I am failing to see how the core-only half-orc barbarian is anything but superior to the warblade at chopping through adamantine walls in 1 round. <snip>

Thanks for the mechanical work, I never noticed that but that just proves Bo9S isn't as broken as everyone makes it out to be.

And as mentioned, the core Monk and suchlike already present similar supernatural martial arts stuff in D&D. <snip>

All too true. I am really tired of the elitist Eurocentric D&D gamers out there. It's because of them that we have yet to see a REAL set of Oriental Adventures product line and Arabian Adventures.

And regarding things maneuvers can do that spells cannot: like what? A wizard's Time Stop is generally as much or more effective than a 17th-level Swordsage or Warblade using Time Stands Still, depending on what the wizard does with his bundle of extra turns. And unlike the wizard, the swordsage or warblade is just attacking really quickly in a series of rapid hits, not even special hits, just flailing away rapidly; not actually stopping time to unleash a barrage.

Yeah, I have yet to see any class be as powerful as a 20th-level Cleric or Wizard. None can match them...and the Mystic Theurge takes the cake, especially taking it a couple of levels into epic level! (where you'll have access to 9th-level spells from Cleric and Wizard)

And an aside: Who doesn't like Final Fantasy?!?! I'll kick your butts for that!!! j/k

I love it...well...most of it, a few of the games were average and one of them was horrible. It has its share of awesomeness...and who doesn't like Advent Children?

 

[cignus_pfaccari]

When you make some progress, tell us. There are some big fans of the book that would be happy to help.

Hrm, I wonder if picking up Exalted 2e's Scroll of the Monk might help in that regard, mostly for ideas.

Brad

 

[hong]

Adamantine has a hardness of 20 and 40 hit points per inch... the same hit points as iron, in other words, with more hardness. So he needs to do 140 points of damage.

+100 damage from maneuver, +40 from Power Attack... provided his weapon does at least one point of damage, a 20th level warblade with any two-handed or one-handed weapon wielded in two hands can easily cut an adamantine wall in half.

Ahem. FULL attack. You hit it AGAIN, if one hit doesn't make a hole.

... Or is there something that makes walls get up and run away after being hit?

 

[hong]

Actually, I don't think that either one will break down either an iron wall OR an adamantine wall.

A 6th level fighter with a greataxe can bash through an iron wall, given ~5 rounds or so. A 20th level fighter hitting the wall 4 times can do it in 3 seconds (2 hits).

 

[Nepenthe]

Ahem. FULL attack. You hit it AGAIN, if one hit doesn't make a hole.

... Or is there something that makes walls get up and run away after being hit?

I assume it's that same animate spell that makes them susceptible to strikes in the first place.

Cheers,

/N

 

[Henry]

A 6th level fighter with a greataxe can bash through an iron wall, given ~5 rounds or so. A 20th level fighter hitting the wall 4 times can do it in 3 seconds (2 hits).

Yeah, after checking Iron and Adamantine walls, I'm struck by how few hit points they have. (remembering the 5 ft 900 hit point stone walls)... It's harder to cut down a 20th level character than it is a 3-inch thick adamantine wall. Maybe the banks should start lining their vault walls with 20th level fighters and barbarians...

 

[Nifft]

Maybe the banks should start lining their vault walls with 20th level fighters and barbarians...

Banks have options that are not dissimilar...

Cheers, -- N

 

[Corsair]

Yeah, after checking Iron and Adamantine walls, I'm struck by how few hit points they have. (remembering the 5 ft 900 hit point stone walls)... It's harder to cut down a 20th level character than it is a 3-inch thick adamantine wall. Maybe the banks should start lining their vault walls with 20th level fighters and barbarians...

Again: Walls don't generally fight back. A commoner with an adamantine dagger and some time on his hands could do it.

 

[Scott_Rouse]

At some point or another I am sure every book (from D&D to Dan Brown) ends up and a bookseller like Half Price Books. BO9S has sold well and continues to do well. There are any number or reasons why it may be there but most likely distributor, retailer, or retail chain needed to clear inventory and sold the product. It could also be due to someone going out of business. Remaindering is the industry term for selling excess inventory to a discount seller and is a common practice in the book business. I would not read much into this and assume this makes any sort of statement about the health of D&D.