Haste

[kryhavoc]

I need a clarification on Haste. After you cast it, it grants you one extra partial action per round. My question is this: Do you get the partial action immediately that round or do you have to wait until the next round for the partial action?

 

[kreynolds]

Immediately. That's one of the reason it's such a nice spell.

 

[Uller]

That's the way everyone plays it. Makes sense. After all...if you cast Spiritual Weapon, you get a spiritual weapon immediately, not next round...

Anyway...spells with a duration begin on the increment they started and end immediately before it. So Haste starts on your turn and ends just before your turn X rounds later(where X = caster level).

 

[kreynolds]

Yep, Uller is right. Unless the spell says otherwise, you start the spell and its effects the round you cast it.

 

[Artoomis]

Cool, ain't it?

 

[EOL]

Yes that is the rule you get the partial action immediately I've always felt that this made the spell "inherently quickened" which means that if you had to wait a round it would be a level -1 spell. So either haste is out of whack or quicken is. It also removes a large part of the incentive to quicken spells of 4th or 5th level when a quickened haste will accomplish the same thing at a lower level.

In my opinion haste sort of represents a spot where the rules break down, kind of like the universe and a black hole.

 

[Crothian]

Ya, we've house ruled (actually the PC decided to do this before telling the DM about it) that hast waits a round. Meaning cast it this round, the effect doesn't happen to next round. The PC felt it was to strong the other way.

I really like it when PCs take the iniative and handicap themsleves that way. I've only seen this three times in almost 20 years. That's why all 3 are currently in my group.

 

[kreynolds]

Yes that is the rule you get the partial action immediately I've always felt that this made the spell "inherently quickened" which means that if you had to wait a round it would be a level -1 spell. So either haste is out of wack or quicken is. It also removes a large part of the incentive to quicken spells of 4th or 5th level when a quickened haste works will accomplish the same thing at a lower level.

In my opinion haste sort of represents a spot where the rules break down, kind of like the universe and a black hole.

Actually, haste is even more powerful than that. Haste allows you to take a 5-foot step, cast a 1-action spell, and cast another 1-action spell. Really powerful spell and one of the few powerful features that spellcasters get at high level. It ends up balancing them really well against a fighter at high levels. Otherwise, fighters would forever chew through spellcasters. In my humble opinion, of course.

 

[EOL]

I really like it when PCs take the iniative and handicap themsleves that way. I've only seen this three times in almost 20 years. That's why all 3 are currently in my group.

I realize this is getting off topic, but isn't that just about as good as it gets. When rather than continually baby-sitting your players, they actually come to you with a suggestion for scaling things back somewhat. It's like being a parent and finding that your child cleaned their room without being ask, it just gives you a nice, warm, fuzzy glow....

 

[Gromm]

So either haste is out of whack or quicken is. It also removes a large part of the incentive to quicken spells of 4th or 5th level when a quickened haste will accomplish the same thing at a lower level.

Well once your hasted you can then cast 3 spells a turn if you have spells quickened.

Quickened haste first turn, 5' step, spell, spell.

Round 2:
Quickened (whatever), 5' step, spell, spell.

Haste doesn't cheapen quicken, it makes it even scarier.
And of course haste is still the best spell to quicken.