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Hawkeye Trailer

billd91

Hobbit on Quest (he/him)
His last few series certainly had their moments! They played him a bit more stupid and a bit more lethal than I liked from the previous 30+ years (at that time) of following him in the Avengers comics though.
There's a lot of Ultimates Hawkeye DNA mixed into his MCU version. If it was more classic Hawkeye, he'd be less lethal and a much bigger thorn to anybody actually in a position of leadership and be pretty much absent a stable family relationship that wasn't constantly wracked with arguing.
 

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Cadence

Legend
Supporter
There's a lot of Ultimates Hawkeye DNA mixed into his MCU version. If it was more classic Hawkeye, he'd be less lethal and a much bigger thorn to anybody actually in a position of leadership and be pretty much absent a stable family relationship that wasn't constantly wracked with arguing.
I wasn't too sad about the MCU one... but his last few comics series were a bit if a departure at points from his 616 origins.
 

Rune

Once A Fool
I’ve never quite understood the negativity toward Hawkeye in the MCU films.

Everyone has their own opinions of course, but I really like him in the films and I think Renner does a great job portraying him

Just my 2 cents of course
The MCU Hawkeye is awesome. Always cool under pressure. Always ready with an assist. Fully capable of inspiring someone back into the fight when Cap isn’t around.

Captain America may lead from the front, but Hawkeye is the subtle support that makes the Avengers a team. Hawkeye is the glue.
 

Hawkeye is the recruiter for the Avengers. Brought in Natasha and Wanda. If he'd been around during Shang-Chi, he probably could've saved Wenwu and brought him onto the team.

Mod Edit: Spoiler block added. ~Umbran
 
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Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
So this is why Disney bought the Die Hard franchise!!!

I like the look if this, Hawkeye needs something more to detract from the fact that he’s just a guy with a bow
 

The Lizard Wizard

Adventurer
Although this wasn't one of the things I'm as excited for, I've heard nothing but good things about the comic it's (loosely?) based on.

And as much as I loved Loki and have been loving What if...? it'll be nice to have something a bit more down to Earth.
 




Rabulias

Hero
So, they do seem to be taking a lot from Fraction's comic. Because at about 25 seconds into the trailer, you can see him wearing the hearing aid.
We shall see, but I think that is something else.
He is also wearing it in the Avengers: Endgame footage earlier in the trailer. I think it's a communication earbud. In the trailer it looks like his family are being escorted away by agents in this scene, so it seems like he has been given a mission and the comm unit is part of it.

Clint has not been shown to be deaf/hard of hearing in the MCU so far, so they would have to explain it. I really liked the Hawkeye mini series where he lost most of his hearing. It was a clever plot device and showed Clint to be smart. It would be neat if they adapted that tale (or aspects of it) into the MCU, but I don't see them doing so in this series.
 

wicked cool

Adventurer
he was probably the least interesting avenger (movie wise) and will probably have a weak rogues gallery. Will this even be better than green arrow on tv. Yes it will have bigger explosion etc but will the character be interesting? in the movies he has barely any personality

Ive seen most of Renners movies and he basically plays the same type of character (not super likeable, cautious but has good action skills)

Moon Knight sounds way more interesting
bring back Daredevil with a Disney budget
theres a lot more characters with more interesting villians
 

Cadence

Legend
Supporter
bring back Daredevil with a Disney budget
theres a lot more characters with more interesting villians
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Is that even possible?
I’ve never quite understood the negativity toward Hawkeye in the MCU films.

Everyone has their own opinions of course, but I really like him in the films and I think Renner does a great job portraying him
There's a lot of Ultimates Hawkeye DNA mixed into his MCU version. If it was more classic Hawkeye, he'd be less lethal and a much bigger thorn to anybody actually in a position of leadership and be pretty much absent a stable family relationship that wasn't constantly wracked with arguing.
I like the look if this, Hawkeye needs something more to detract from the fact that he’s just a guy with a bow

Each superhero property, medium, and continuity has to decide how it is going to meld the characters who can move worlds, those who can control fire or just fly, and those who are just extra capable normal people. Sometimes that can change even within the same property across time or personality. In the MCU Black Widow and even moreso Captain America are treated as valiant for running into the fray of gods and inventors in suits which almost make them gods, while Hawkeye (plus Starlord, it should be mentioned) is more treated as being a bit of a buttmonkey for the same (to be fair, this is mostly done in comedic commentary on the MCU like Renner's turn on SNL, or in Whedon's time in the director's chair where Hawkeye naturally takes on some Xander Harris qualities). The DCU does this all with one character -- Batman is super cool for mixing in with Superman and all the rest... excepting when he's not and portrayed as being in effect a creaking aging athlete who doesn't know when to give it up (plus money). I think it perfectly reasonable to see either 'cool valiant super-normal' or 'walking punchline' in MCU Hawkeye, because I think they are both there.

Billd91 is right about this being more Ultimates Hawkeye than traditional comics Hawkeye -- in part I think because by they time he was introduced, Robert Downey Jr. had already taken many of the fun parts of comics Hawkeye and imported them into his Tony Stark character (and nothing is worse than being 'the second quippy one' or the like).

I don't know if this show can rehab Hawkeye (regardless of whether he needs it), but I'm all for another more grounded series (alongside Falcon and Winter Soldier). Maybe we can even have a finale without a CGI skybeam. :p

I hope someone keeps calling him Hawkguy!
I would love it if he doesn't get recognized as one of the Avengers, and desperately tries to argue that he's 'that Hawkeye guy from TV' to the guy he's sitting next to somewhere portrayed by Alan Alda.
 


Janx

Hero
There's a lot of Ultimates Hawkeye DNA mixed into his MCU version. If it was more classic Hawkeye, he'd be less lethal and a much bigger thorn to anybody actually in a position of leadership and be pretty much absent a stable family relationship that wasn't constantly wracked with arguing.
I've not read the comicbook Avengers in any era, but it makes sense to draw from the Ultimates stuff, that was largely where I'd heard all of the chars took their inspiration.

As for family arguing, I expect we will have some conflict there. He's supposed to be with his family for x-mas and he has to leave to track down a vigilante. Whom he spends the rest of x-mas with, presumably helping her become a better hero, and such. Seems like somebody back home ought to object to that.
 

billd91

Hobbit on Quest (he/him)
I've not read the comicbook Avengers in any era, but it makes sense to draw from the Ultimates stuff, that was largely where I'd heard all of the chars took their inspiration.

As for family arguing, I expect we will have some conflict there. He's supposed to be with his family for x-mas and he has to leave to track down a vigilante. Whom he spends the rest of x-mas with, presumably helping her become a better hero, and such. Seems like somebody back home ought to object to that.
Re: the family arguing. In the Ultimates, before they're killed, Hawkeye has a wife and kids - and those relationships are generally happy like in the MCU. In fact, their deaths drive him into ultra violence and depression. Just like the MCU.
Hawkeye, in the traditional Marvel setting, marries Mockingbird and it's hard to say the relationship is a happy one for very long (which is largely Hawkeye's fault, as I see it).

As far as the MCU characters being drawn from The Ultimates, it depends. There are elements of Tony Stark that are Ultimate-inspired such as using humor to hide his own anxieties and traumas and Hawkeye, as I've mentioned before, as well as Black Widow and Hawkeye's long standing relationship as teamed operatives (rather than lovers). But Cap, Hulk, and Thor are all 616-continuity versions with little Ultimate influence (other than Hulk being the product of attempts to recreate the super-soldier formula rather than a gamma bomb).
 

I've not read the comicbook Avengers in any era, but it makes sense to draw from the Ultimates stuff, that was largely where I'd heard all of the chars took their inspiration.

As far as the MCU characters being drawn from The Ultimates, it depends. There are elements of Tony Stark that are Ultimate-inspired such as using humor to hide his own anxieties and traumas and Hawkeye, as I've mentioned before, as well as Black Widow and Hawkeye's long standing relationship as teamed operatives (rather than lovers). But Cap, Hulk, and Thor are all 616-continuity versions with little Ultimate influence (other than Hulk being the product of attempts to recreate the super-soldier formula rather than a gamma bomb).
Hopefully Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are also not drawn from their Ultimates depictions.
 

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