Help me lose weight

[der_kluge]

I sure didn't. According to webmd ...
"Ketones are often found in a person who has not eaten (fasts) for 18 hours or longer."

Ketones are the result of what happens when your body converts muscle tissue into energy. Converting muscles into food is quicker and easier than converting fat into energy. It's why exercising is a necessary addition to dieting so that you don't lose muscle mass.

 

[Desdichado]

Curtis, can I just step in here and say real quick that you are DA MAN!?

OK, thanks!

 

[der_kluge]

Curtis, can I just step in here and say real quick that you are DA MAN!?

OK, thanks!

You could, but then that'd be off-topic.

 

[Bryan898]

You know, I have a friend who lost twenty pounds by eating basically nothing and drinking only Mt. Dew for a few weeks. He called it the Mt. Dew diet, we call it what happens when you f###ing starve yourself. It's almost a guarantee that without some protein you're losing muscle in the process, it'd be hard to notice in just a week. Though most diets and weight loss involves losing muscle, especially with fatty people, it's still a good idea to minimize that amount. You want more proof that fasting isn't a great idea, watch a "Feed the kids of Africa" commercial, and notice that they're all skin and bones. That's what will happen when you starve yourself, it's not healthy, it won't make you look good, and it's not at all the best solution. Any fast will cause you too lose weight, drinking lemon juice and saying that the lemon juice is responsible is ridiculous.

 

[Torm]

I know y'all aren't really talking to me about this, but I just want to clear up real quick that I was never talking about starving myself with the Pipe Cleaner - I like to eat too much for that. At most, maybe giving it a few hours to get in there and do its thing. But then, I'm not using it for a diet, either - just an aid to digestion.

When people think I'm crazy, I like for it to be for the right reasons, not misconceptions.

 

[Eolin]

Ketones are the result of what happens when your body converts muscle tissue into energy. Converting muscles into food is quicker and easier than converting fat into energy. It's why exercising is a necessary addition to dieting so that you don't lose muscle mass.

I'm going to have to post a bit now, as I'll be away from the computer as I take a 3 mile walk home.

Again, according to webmd, ketones are *also* what happens when we burn fat.

 

[Eolin]

fast will cause you too lose weight, drinking lemon juice and saying that the lemon juice is responsible is ridiculous.

Duh. Again, I wasn't starving myself, which I've stated many times. I was getting around 1200 to 1500 calories a day, and a whole lot of carbohydrates.

 

[Eolin]

Here's the hard one.

Here's what I think: I think this is the stupidest stuff I've ever researched, and I believe that you are gullible for believing in something which has absolutely no basis in scientific fact.

At one time, the atkins diet had no basis in scientific fact. Go back far enough, neither did non-uniform ciruclar movement of the planets. Same goes for everything that has been tryed. Saying that isn't now backed by science does not say that it is wrong, just that it has not been experimented with under sciences controlled conditions.

Also, its a big ole personal attack to call me gullible. And, indirectly, stupid. It has worked, and I've noticed really wonderful differences since I first began the lemon juice 4 months ago. So what if it hasn't been tested under controlled conditions? It works, and that's what I'm concerned with.

When you call it "stupid", that just says to me that you cannot yet accept it, as it is so far outside your paradigm. Six months ago, I would have completely agreed with you. I'm not gullible, I'm experimental. And this works.

From:
http://www.ehow.com/how_13481_understand-lemonade-fast.html

I don't rightly know if that's the same website I've read, or if you googled for it. The origional book is called "Master Cleanser" and its bvy Richard Burroughs, I believe.

There's that word again. "toxins". Apparently the liver in our body stops working when pseudo-science is introduced into the equation.

No, it works. It just gets overloaded by the sheer amount of absolute in our world today.

Last I checked, flus, asthma, hay fever, sinus and bronchial problems don't just lounge around in the body waiting for their number to get drawn. If this worked, every asthmatic in the world would follow this technique. And the only place "mucus" resides is in the sinuses, not throughout the body. Also, cold is a virus, and isn't even in the same category as allergies. And at the biological, chemical level, there is nothing "intensely cleansing" about lemon juice of cayenne pepper. By this argument, eating nothing but jalapenos would make me breathe fire.

My asthma and allergies are ridiculously lessened after those nine days. I'm sure it'll come back, but for now I can smell the flowers, cuddle the dog, etc without worrying about my allergies. That's never happened before.

Why mention jalepenos? They contain different chemicals. By your own standards, they shoudn't have the same sort of affect. Cayenne pepper is known to raise metabolism, why do you find it so incredibly impossible that it can't have other neat properties western science doesn't know about?

Sorry. The digestive organs never rest. And what the hell is the fermentation activity in my internal organs? Since when do our bodies produce wine?

Ok, now you're just being silly. And you know it. "rest" in the article means not working as hard. For instance, my heart beats less rapidly when I'm sitting than when I'm running. When my car is idling, the engine is at a much lower RPM than when I'm one the highway. Its that sort of rest. It allows your body to not have to worry about getting rid of new toxins, so instead you can heal yourself.

And I'm really not sure about what it said about fermentation. Perhaps I'll check that link when I get home. For now though, I'll at least say that not all fermentation produces wine.

You know, if I did nothing but eat doritos and masturbated every day, my internal organs would continue to rejuvinate every day. It's just what they do. Drinking lemon juice has absolutely jack and sh*t to do with this.

Rejuvenate, sure. But less. Its just what entropy does.

This whole thing boils down to this:
If it works for you, Eolin - great. Continue to do your thing, and don't let me (or science) try to convince you otherwise. I seriously recommend talking to your health professional regarding *any* diet regimen before starting one, lemonade fast, Atkins, or whatever. These things are simply too dangerous otherwise.

You assume I have a health care professional. I havn't been able to afford medical insurance in four years, and when I was on it I had a constant stream of drugs for my allergies. When I decided to stop taking those, I felt tremdensouly better. My mind cleared, and the world was beautiful. Its actually a lot like the difference women tell me they get when they go off the pill.

As for dangerous? I'm monitoring my condition, as are my loved ones. I'm better in touch with my body than I've ever been, and I've learned to listen.

But you simply can not convince me that this thing has any valid scientific benefit since there are absolutely zero scientific studies on the topic. It's unproven, and unfounded, and for you to defend it is simply an utter waste of time. You can believe it, and have opinions about it which is fine. But you just can't argue about this from a factual standpoint.

I know I cannot convince you, and that's the said part. There are no studies, what there are is anecdotal evidence. One of the things I did was to look around the net for first-hand experiences. I figured if somebody had a bad one they'd post it. I coudn't find it.

As for not being able to argue from a factual standpoint, that's just plain wrong. I can easily argue (and am) that I feel better, that I'm in better shape, etc etc. While those can be dismissed, the weight I have lost (30 pounds, 4 months) is an undeniable fact. It can't be argued, and I don't see you disagreeing with it.

For me to defend it *to you* is a waste of time, merely because you will never believe it. I opened my mind to possibilities of things that I don't understand, and I am the better for it. And again, six months ago I would have been on your side arguing against the crazy man. But now I've learned there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreampt of in Science's philosphy.

 

[Shemeska]

At one time, the atkins diet had no basis in scientific fact.

It still doesn't. It, like any other diet, can work if you're eating fewer calories than your body uses in a given period; there's no way around thermodynamics sadly. But that doesn't mean that it works the way it claims, and the most recent and largest studies are backing that up.

 

[Shemeska]

Sorry. The digestive organs never rest. And what the hell is the fermentation activity in my internal organs? Since when do our bodies produce wine?

Glycolysis, in the absence of oxygen, progresses down a fermentative pathway rather than jumping into the Krebs/Citric Acid Cycle. So yes, when tissue doesn't get oxygen in sufficient amounts it defaults to this secondary method to produce energy, though it results in a buildup of lactic acid as a waste product.

However I seriously doubt whoever wrote up that screed about Master Cleanser knows anything about fermentation or basic biochemistry at all.

Add that to the bunk about cleaning out mucus and cholesterol. *chuckle* You'd die without mucus most of your internal organs. The Master Cleanser folks are swindling the ignorant and nothing more.