Help me lose weight

[Eolin]

This is just getting downright unfriendly.

How're they swindling anything? Burroughs is dead. Everything I got for it, I got either from Walmart or from the local health food stores. Nobody associated with Master Cleanser got a dime. Unless you're claiming they are in collusion with the makers of maple syrup, and the companies that grow lemons.

Edit: Also, I positively love the fact that the people arguing against me are also arguing against each other about what this would do, fermentation, etc. Its fantastic that they can't get the story straight.

What's also great is that I have tested this as well as I am able, and they simply dismiss it. "discrediting the source" its called. Its something scientists *shoudn't* do, merely because science rests upon testing hypothesis.

But that's what science has gotten to. More of a dogma than continued experimentation.

 

[Torm]

This is just getting downright unfriendly.

I concur, and I mentioned it before. I will never understand why some people think the best approach to convince someone of something is to first attack their position and their intelligence for believing it. All that really does is make people angry and on the defensive - and now they are willing to defend what they believed to begin with in the face of evidence that might have changed their minds through polite rational discourse before.

But that's what science has gotten to. More of a dogma than continued experimentation.

And, it would appear the attacks can come from both sides. Hmm...

Folks - Flies. Honey. Vinegar. Cliche for a reason.

 

[Eolin]

Torm, mine wasn't an ad hominem. And it was, what shall I say, when I was a little angry. And its what I think about a lot of modern medicine is general nowadays. Not just in this thread, but in general.

When I was a kid, I was given an inhaler for what was pretty mild asthma. I wasn't really told how often to use it, and nobody knew what possible side affect existed. I'm pretty sure that sh*t, and little exercise, is what turned me from a skinny 10 year to a fat 12 year old.

 

[Bryan898]

Duh. Again, I wasn't starving myself, which I've stated many times. I was getting around 1200 to 1500 calories a day, and a whole lot of carbohydrates.

Sorry I misunderstood, when I hear fast I think of someone not eating. What's your average daily intake like? The average male eats something like 2700 calories a day, if they cut down to your number and walked briskly 4-5 miles a day they may very well lose 10 pounds in a week as well. What I'm saying is that in all likelihood, just cutting calories and exercise is what caused your weightloss and feeling good/ healthier is a side effect of that weightloss. The lemons may have very little to do with the weight loss or good feelings. A more accurate test would be to keep your average calorie intakes and eating habits, but add your lemons. If you lose ten pounds after that, then I'd be somewhat amazed at the weightloss effects of lemons.

 

[The_Gunslinger658]

Hi-

You can always go on the "Stalingrad Diet" Water and wall paperpast

Seriously, Do cardio every otherday and waight training on non cardio days. Do not eat crap after 6pm. Fruits, water and so on is all good.


Scott

 

[Torm]

I'm pretty sure that sh*t, and little exercise, is what turned me from a skinny 10 year to a fat 12 year old.

You could be right. But I would think it more likely that you were bulking up for puberty, and the little exercise and the effects of the inhaler AND the asthma on your respiration are what kept you from utilizing it in a healthy way DURING puberty. (I had an inhaler, too, from about 8 until I was 11 or 12, and got pretty bulky, myself.)

And as for modern medicine, some of it IS in a sorry state - but don't blame science. Science works, when it is allowed to. Blame human greed. :\

And it was, what shall I say, when I was a little angry.

Two wrongs...yada yada. Another fine cliche.

But, as Helga the Pony Woman used to say, "Two Wrongs don't make a Right - but three do." So that's why I'm harpin' at y'all.

 

[Eolin]

Sorry I misunderstood, when I hear fast I think of someone not eating.

No problem. There have been a lot of misunderstandings in this thread, and I think you're the first to be big enough to admit it. But, I wasn't eating. I was on a completely liquid diet.

But, as for not taking in anything for a week? That *would* be asinine. The Grade B Maple Syrup contains a bunch of nutrients. And a lot of sugars -- both complex and simple. Its good stuff. Check it out in your local health food store sometime.

What's your average daily intake like?

Something around 2200, I'm pretty sure. That's why I've been losing over a pound a week pretty consistently for months.

The average male eats something like 2700 calories a day, if they cut down to your number and walked briskly 4-5 miles a day they may very well lose 10 pounds in a week as well.

I didn't walk briskly. Also, according to How Stuff Works, to get rid of a pound you need to get rid of 3500 calories. Let's do some math and see if it works out. That'd be 35 000 Calories to burn off ten pounds. 2700 - 1500 (high end) is 1200. 1200 a day, times 7 days is 8400. Also according to How Stuff Works, walking a mile is about a hundred calories. I went on only two walks that week, and each is about five miles. That's another 1000 calories. Making 9400 calories burned. For sake of easiness, let's call that 10 000. That still leaves 25 000(!!!) calories unaccounted for. I don't know where that weight went, but given that that's a really big number, and given how I feel, I'm going to go ahead and continue to believe that the Master Cleanser works.

A more accurate test would be to keep your average calorie intakes and eating habits, but add your lemons. If you lose ten pounds after that, then I'd be somewhat amazed at the weightloss effects of lemons.

This is almost exactly what I did when I first started changing, four months ago. That's when I went on lemons -- one a day, more if I wanted it. My dietary intake has been shrinking, as I havn't been as hungry. I made very little effort to not eat, and just the week before I went on my fast I ate a "King Size" thing of Whoppers. Yummy Chocolate.

The lemons have a host of beneficial affect. Given it a try, Bryan. You might well be amazed if you do. Add in that lemons are counted amongst the world's healthiest foods, and there's hardly any reason *not* to try a lemon a day.

The best part of my fast was that I wasn't ever really hungry. Sure, up until the third day I was getting hungry, but after that it was easy. Whenever I felt the slightest bit hungry, I'd just drink more lemonade. Sure beats what I'm doing now -- waiting for a roomate to get home so we can all (3 of us) have dinner together.

 

[Eolin]

And as for modern medicine, some of it IS in a sorry state - but don't blame science. Science works, when it is allowed to. Blame human greed. :\

I blame mostly the scientific community being ingrained in its current dogma. In the history of everything that's cool, there comes a point where it is heavily weighed down by its awesome history and finds it hard to get aware from the memes it has accepted. the scientific community is no different.

Of course, the philosophical community is no different, either. That's why I'm going to a graduate school that doesn't even have a history compoenent to its philosophy masters program. Carnegie Mellon University f*ckin r0x.

 

[Tinker Gnome]

My weight is really weird. One day I weigh 195 lbs, the next I weight 190. It is really weird. :\

 

[Desdichado]

How're they swindling anything? Burroughs is dead.

Well, yeah. Too bad, too -- nobody could write planetary romances like the master...