HELP! Rogue/Ranger Tiefling too powerful?!

[coyote6]

Players are all 6th level now. Someone else asked this, so to compare:

Tiefling PC - AC 23, HP 47, Init + 4 (he has 18 dex), Melee + 7, Ranged + 9, Fort + 8, Reflex + 7, Will + 5

Dwarven Fighter PC - AC 15 (he needs some magic armor, he has a shield of arrow deflection but prefers to use his greataxe, so needs both hands), HP 42, Init + 5, Melee + 8/+3, Ranged +7/+3, Fort + 8, Reflex + 5, Will + 3

A 6th level fighter with a +8 melee? That's only a 14 or 15 Str, even assuming no Weapon Focus and no MW or magical weapon (which would be bizarre for a 6th level FR character). Fewer hp -- with 6d10 and a dwarf's Con bonus -- than the the 3d10+3d6 rogue?

Wow. I think the problem may be not so much that the tiefling is overpowered as the others being underpowered, if this guy's representative.

What does the dwarf's stats look like?

Is the tiefling Rog3/Rgr3?

 

[Kerrwyn]

Yah, there's no way he's got that many feats. One level ranger+Four or Five levels of rogue= TWF, Ambi, Track, 1 feat(1st level), 2 feats (leveling). He's got three virtuals and 3 regular. By all means, he's skipped some feats. Outsider wings has a prereq of Fiendish Bloodline, Spring Attack has BAB +4 and Dodge, Mobility and Expertise.

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Outsider Wings are a feat from Races of Faerun with some pre-requisites.

As a DM, I've made mistakes before, but I don't let players use feats from supplements if I'm not sure what the feat does. I would, at the least, read the feat first.

I think your player has either made several mistakes, or he's cheating.

PS this is a good reason why you should point buy The players may whine but they will be happier in the end.

 

[coyote6]

Outsider wings has a prereq of Fiendish Bloodline, Spring Attack has BAB +4 and Dodge, Mobility and Expertise.

FWIW, Spring Attack doesn't require Expertise. You're probably thinking of Whirlwind Attack, which has Spring Attack & Expertise as prereqs.

But the tiefling is definitely short a couple of prereqs -- Fiendish Bloodline and Mobility -- and already over by two feats. So he's effectively over by four feats. Unless you've tossed some prereqs...

 

[Balgus]

(Psi)SeveredHead:
Outsider Wings are a feat from Races of Faerun with some pre-requisites.

Clark:Also, he has 4 (non-virtual) feats at sixth level without being a human? Unless you have some nifty house rules, he's getting 3 feats (1, 3, 6).

I don't know about the batwing feat, but he may just be using the Tiefling template from Monster of Faerun. It says that a Tiefling has a 75% chance of having batwings. If he did choose this route, then you can tell him that you don't like it and therefore nix it.

Plus, he is only supposed to have 2 character feats, level 1,3. Because Tiefling is EL+1.

This should solve a lot of problems.

 

[Balgus]

Ooops- I was reading the "half-fiend" template at the end of the MM.

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

If a tiefling has bat wings, it doesn't mean they are functional

 

[Kerrwyn]

FWIW, Spring Attack doesn't require Expertise. You're probably thinking of Whirlwind Attack, which has Spring Attack & Expertise as prereqs.

But the tiefling is definitely short a couple of prereqs -- Fiendish Bloodline and Mobility -- and already over by two feats. So he's effectively over by four feats. Unless you've tossed some prereqs...

Yeah. I posted that and then went and looked it up, becasue something sounded wrong. Oh, well. We all make mistakes.

 

[Balgus]

What I would do is to give the opther players the chance to increase their abilities. Say magical weapons, or magic enhancers (like a new spellbook).

That way, the Tiefling keeps his char- untouched, and the others areback in the party contributing again. You can now go back to DMing because since they all are buffed up, you can throw in stronger NPCs for themt o fight- and more monsters.

Otherwise, send in a lot of NPCs. This way, he doesn't attack everything that comes his way. And if he does, send the guards after him for killing innocents or whatever you can think of.

And this should give them a couple sneak attacks to sofetn him up.

And he is rollin very well to have 47 hp at lvl 5. That is a 7 per level (47/5 lvl = 9 -2 con = 7) from a d6 rogue and a d10 ranger? Now i am baffled. He should have a max of 44 hp (10 rngr+24 (4*6 rog) +10 (2*5) con)

 

[Angcuru]

umm...if he's only lvl 6, how can he have sneak attack damage 4d6, considering that he could only have 4 levels in rogue max, what with level in ranger and the ECL of Tielfing? Shortsword of Subtlety?