Help with Skill, LA, etc.

[Tharkon]

Lich is an acquired template available for all humanoids that can creat a phylactery (caster level 11, Create Wonderous Items feat)
Lycanthropes are either Humanoid (Shapechanger) or Giant (Shapechanger) depending on the base creature.
So as long as the base creature was humanoid then it can be a Lycan Lich.

The lowest ECL a Lich Werewolf would be possible would be 20, meaning you'll need at least 190,000 exp.

This involves 11 levels of a Sorcerer, 2 HD's of animal (wolf) and a +7 level adjustment.

You wil have a caster level of 11, a class level of 11 and a character level of 13.

You will have 13d12 hitpoints, have 5 features (+1 for being human) and 3 ability score increases.

Your class skills for the two wolf levels are Hide, Listen, Move Silently, Spot and Survival and you get 2+Int ranks per level (+1 for being human).
Your class skills for the eleven sorcerer levels are as normal.
Your max ranks will be 16 for class skills (in either class) and 8 for cross-class skills (skills that aren't a class skill for either class).

Total ranks being 48+(16*Int) (note that the Int bonus of the Lich template is applied after the amount of ranks is determined).

Racial traits are kept, so just start with human traits, then add lycan traits, then add lich traits (except it might be easier to change HD's to d12 right away).

CR is only important if you're the DM, but it would be 15 (11 for class levels, 2 for each of the two templates).

As for appearance, it's mostly flavor and largely up to the DM, but as written the lich would look like any other werewolf when in hybrid form or wolf form.

I think that covered about everything.

EDIT: In lich form you will have +5 natural armor, in hybrid or wolf form it will be +2. It will never be +7.
You will have DR 10/silver and DR 15/bludgeoning & magic, which don't stack, only the highest that applies is in effect.
A weapon made of silver that is magical and deals bludgeoning damage deals full damage.
A weapon not made of silver that is magical and deals bludgeoning damage is reduced by 10.
A weapon that is not magical, not bludgeoning or neither is reduced by 15, no matter what it's made of.

EDIT2: And to make it complete, inside an anti-magic field you'll just have DR 15/bludgeoning.

 

[Herzog]

I don't think that last line is correct. Shouldn't they overlap?

If you have a weapon that doesn't bypass ANY of the DR components, you should take the highest DR, which is 15.

They don't stack, so no DR 25.

 

[Tharkon]

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[Macgyvercas]

EDIT: In lich form you will have +5 natural armor, in hybrid or wolf form it will be +2. It will never be +7.

Wouldn't the Lich template be in effect even if he shifts? Because it would make little sense for only one of his forms to be undead.

 

[Tharkon]

Wouldn't the Lich template be in effect even if he shifts? Because it would make little sense for only one of his forms to be undead.

Yes, but when using the alternate form ability you change form and loose whatever natural armor bonus you had in your base form and gain that of the form you change into.

You also loose any natural attacks, movement modes and extraordinary special attacks, as well as supernatural attacks based on your form, such as a breath weapon or gaze attack but the lich template doesn't grant any of those, so I didn't mention them.

You can't cast spells in wolf form (unless Still and Silent) or in hybrid form (unless Silent), which I forgot to mention, but spellcasting isn't really a quality of this character specifically, it applies to all lycanthropes.

 

[Macgyvercas]

Yes, but when using the alternate form ability you change form and loose whatever natural armor bonus you had in your base form and gain that of the form you change into.

You also loose any natural attacks, movement modes and extraordinary special attacks, as well as supernatural attacks based on your form, such as a breath weapon or gaze attack but the lich template doesn't grant any of those, so I didn't mention them.

You can't cast spells in wolf form (unless Still and Silent) or in hybrid form (unless Silent), which I forgot to mention, but spellcasting isn't really a quality of this character specifically, it applies to all lycanthropes.

I'm aware of the spellcasting thing. I was under the assuption, though, that all three of his forms would have the Lich template, and therefore use the Lich's natural armor bonus. Also, you would think the alternate forms (the hybrid especially) would still have the touch attack or at least deal the extra damage.

From the SRD:
Armor Class

A lich has a +5 natural armor bonus or the base creature’s natural armor bonus, whichever is better.
Attack

A lich has a touch attack that it can use once per round. If the base creature can use weapons, the lich retains this ability. A creature with natural weapons retains those natural weapons. A lich fighting without weapons uses either its touch attack or its primary natural weapon (if it has any). A lich armed with a weapon uses its touch or a weapon, as it desires.
Full Attack

A lich fighting without weapons uses either its touch attack (see above) or its natural weapons (if it has any). If armed with a weapon, it usually uses the weapon as its primary attack along with a touch as a natural secondary attack, provided it has a way to make that attack (either a free hand or a natural weapon that it can use as a secondary attack).
Damage

A lich without natural weapons has a touch attack that uses negative energy to deal 1d8+5 points of damage to living creatures; a Will save (DC 10 + ½ lich’s HD + lich’s Cha modifier) halves the damage. A lich with natural weapons can use its touch attack or its natural weaponry, as it prefers. If it chooses the latter, it deals 1d8+5 points of extra damage on one natural weapon attack.

The way I see it, since his type is Undead in his "human" form, his type would be Undead in all his forms. Ergo, he would gain the benefits of being a lich even then (5 natural armor bonus, touch attack, DR, etc).

Unless we've somehow gotten into a RAW VS RAI situation...

 

[Tharkon]

By RAW you'll just have a creature with the following abilities:

Touch Attack (Su)
Alternate Form (Su)
Natural Armor +5 (Ex)
And several more.

The creature can activate any of those abilities (except natural armor, which is always active)
When it activates the Alternate Form ability it loses all Extraordinary attacks and natural armor, as dictated by that ability.

Even though the ability is granted before the Lich template is gained the ability is used after the latter is applied, and thus it overrides some of its effects.

Hard to tell RAI, so I guess it's DM's judgement.
RAW are based on the fact that your appearance and form change into that of an actual wolf, not of a lich wolf. An actual wolf would also not be a legal target for the lich template. I don't think the touch attack is based on form and, although this is not specified in the template, obviously supernatural in nature, so you probably retain that.

 

[Macgyvercas]

By RAW you'll just have a creature with the following abilities:

Touch Attack (Su)
Alternate Form (Su)
Natural Armor +5 (Ex)
And several more.

The creature can activate any of those abilities (except natural armor, which is always active)
When it activates the Alternate Form ability it loses all Extraordinary attacks and natural armor, as dictated by that ability.

Even though the ability is granted before the Lich template is gained the ability is used after the latter is applied, and thus it overrides some of its effects.

Hard to tell RAI, so I guess it's DM's judgement.
RAW are based on the fact that your appearance and form change into that of an actual wolf, not of a lich wolf. An actual wolf would also not be a legal target for the lich template. I don't think the touch attack is based on form and, although this is not specified in the template, obviously supernatural in nature, so you probably retain that.

Makes enough sense.

Now this next question is probably obvious, but would the save DCs for the lich's spells be (10 + 1/2 HD + Cha mod) as normal for lich abilities, or the standard (10 + spell level + Cha mod), because it never specifies anything different for spells. I'm assuming the second one though, otherwise he'd be casting level 1 spells with a save DC of 22.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Spells use the normal spell saving throw calc, and abilities use the normal ability saving throw calc.