Pathfinder 2E Here's The Pathfinder 2nd Edition Skill List!

It's another Tuesday, which means another look at the previous night's Pathfinder 2nd Edition preview! There's only a couple of month to go until the full playtest rules are released (I have the hardcover on pre-order). Until then, Paizo continue with their twice-weekly glimpses into the ruleset - and this time we look at skills!

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• 17 base skills down from 35.
• Lots of consolidation -- Athletics contains a bunch, and Use Magic Device is replaced by the relevant Lore skill
• You are trained in more skills than before -- fighter has an extra one, for example (3+ Int mod)
• Skill list --
  • Acrobatics (Dex)
  • Arcana (Int)
  • Athletics (Str)
  • Crafting (Int)
  • Deception (Cha)
  • Diplomacy (Cha)
  • Intimidation (Cha)
  • Lore (Int)
  • Medicine (Wis)
  • Nature (Wis)
  • Occultism (Int)
  • Performance (Cha)
  • Religion (Wis)
  • Society (Int)
  • Stealth (Dex)
  • Survival (Wis)
  • Thievery (Dex)
• Skill proficiency --
  • Untrained -2, trained +0, expert +1, master +2, legendary +3 (plus level and ability modifier)
  • Each level of proficiency unlocks new skill uses
  • Medicine's Administer First Aid ability is available at the untrained level, being trained allows you to Treat Disease and Treat Poison
• Skill feats --
  • Usually at even levels you choose a skill feat
  • Rogues get them every level
  • Prerequisite is a level of proficiency in a skill (e.g. "legendary in Medicine")
  • Example is the Legendary Medic, which lets you remove diseases and conditions.
  • Stealth has skill feats like Quiet Allies (help your party sneak), Swift Sneak (move at full speed while sneaking), and at legendary level you just sneak everywhere constantly.

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[Charlaquin]

If this is true, shouldn't there be a Primal skill?

Nature

 

[Koloth]

Another one that thinks char level shouldn't have such a large influence on proficiency rolls.

If a 0 lvl character is a Trained Farmer, she has a prof modifier of 0. She decides the heck with farming and takes up adventuring. Five years later, she returns as a 20 lvl character having never farmed another minute. But now she has a Farming prof modifier of 20. Char lvl of 20 + Trained (0) = 20. She is now a much better farmer, at least at basic farming skills, then her sister who has spent the last five years farming. Don't see this is a believable system.

 

[jmucchiello]

Nature

Missed that. Thanks.

 

[PezlerPolychromatic]

What slightly confuses me is that being trained in Medicine allows you to Treat Disease, but the skill feat Legendary Medic allows you to remove it. Are they the same? Or is it that Treat Disease lets you alleviate the symptoms temporarily without getting rid of it permanently?

 

[lightblade]

What slightly confuses me is that being trained in Medicine allows you to Treat Disease, but the skill feat Legendary Medic allows you to remove it. Are they the same? Or is it that Treat Disease lets you alleviate the symptoms temporarily without getting rid of it permanently?

I suspect Treat Disease is the equivalent of providing long-term care: if you do it for the better part of a day (or more), you give those under your care a bonus to their daily saving throw versus the disease. Legendary Medic is more comparable to the Remove Disease spell, or perhaps getting a Paladin to Lay on Hands with the right Mercy.

 

[Yaarel]

There is no ‘spot’, ‘listen’, or ‘perception’ skill?

YAAAAAAAAY!

Hurray.

 

[Yaarel]

Instead of a perception bonus, if trying to perceive signs of an animal, then add the nature bonus. If trying to find someone is hiding, add the stealth bonus to the attempt to perceive.

Similarly, if trying to discern if someone is telling the truth, add the deception bonus to the attempt to perceive.

 

[Yaarel]

I wish they would combine arcana, religion, and occultism, into a single skill. Essentially it is various forms of magic and mysticism, including planar lore (including afterlife, faerie, and so on).

Combine athletics and acrobatics, into a single skill called athletics. It defies reason to learn to jump and climb without also learning to fall, or tumble without jumping, or so on.

Combine nature and survival, into a single skill called nature.

It makes sense to apply a skill bonus to one or more ability checks, depending on how one is applying the knowledge, training, and experience.

 

[Staffan]

There is no ‘spot’, ‘listen’, or ‘perception’ skill?

YAAAAAAAAY!

Hurray.

They mentioned in an earlier blog that since Perception was such a must-have skill, they just made it Trained for everyone.

 

[Yaarel]

I think I would combine Performance and Craft into single skill, called ‘Art’. Any kind of check for esthetics or craftsmanship would add the art bonus. Likewise, art would be used to appraise the value of precious items, and so on.