Heroes...Season 1 10/09/06 Esp#3

[Mad Hatter]

I don't think you appreciate how durable the neck is. He'd have to expend a considerable amount of force to tear those strong ligaments and muscles in her neck to rip it off. You also have to contend with her spine and such. Far too hard and involved especially since he was in a hurried situation. It is infinately easier to manipulate her single arm and then her finger. Freezing would also be hard seeing as how he'd have to lock every single muscle up and with ehr resisting and constantly telling her body to fire those muscle contractions.

So basically, moving an arm is easier. Locking her body and ripping her head off = hard.

 

[bodhi]

Hiro is my favorite

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Note that there are spoilers for up to the last aired episode.

 

[LightPhoenix]

I think you may be looking at this and expecting there to be a clear cut power level of what the characters can and can't do. I imagine that the powers will be strong enough to do what the script requires. I'm not really expecting a lot of consistency.

Ever the cynic? I agree though, that is probably more the case. Of course, we're also arguing something we know next to nothing about, so I don't think any of on the topic really get points.

I don't think you appreciate how durable the neck is. He'd have to expend a considerable amount of force to tear those strong ligaments and muscles in her neck to rip it off. You also have to contend with her spine and such. Far too hard and involved especially since he was in a hurried situation. It is infinately easier to manipulate her single arm and then her finger. Freezing would also be hard seeing as how he'd have to lock every single muscle up and with ehr resisting and constantly telling her body to fire those muscle contractions.

The only point I really disagree on is the first one - I have a degree in biochemistry and worked in a hospital for several years. Not to mention my sister always going on about massage therapy, which she has her licence in. I'm well aware of how durable the neck is.

However, and again, we really don't know so I'm basing most of this off of my expectations and assumptions, if Sylar were so powerful as to be able to freeze someone... that is, use his power at a molecular level to stop movement of atoms... then I suspect tearing someone's head off would be easier. So I'm not convinced it is all TK.

Personally, I just love the speculation.

[edit] I know how to use negation in sentences! Really!

 

[Umbran]

I would be more appreciative of this leap to mimic if the show was actually doing its job and giving us miniscule and seemingly innocuous clues.

Dude, several folks here have pointed out how they have given clues. Your failure to see or accept them does not mean they aren't there.

But right now you know what this show has? It has the XMen. Claire (Wolverine), Nathan (pick a mutant and chances are that mutant can fly), Peter (Rogue or Sync, more Sync though), Matt (Jean Grey), Hiro (oh come on, he's like 5 mutants rolled into one, talk about min-maxing), and Niki, well that chick is a fun wild card as is Isaac. Anyone care to guess who the Prof is in this scenario?

Seems to me you might want to look back at the original X-men to find some of the analogs - Nathan is clearly Angel. Peter is the one who, oddly enough, was called Mimic. Claire and Nikki together make up a Wolverine. Without teke, or even projecting telepathy, Matt isn't much of a Jean Grey.

 

[Umbran]

I think you may be looking at this and expecting there to be a clear cut power level of what the characters can and can't do. I imagine that the powers will be strong enough to do what the script requires. I'm not really expecting a lot of consistency.

Nor should you. It isn't like the superhero genre has ever been known for its consistency.

The only reason to expect some if that in recent years, sci fi fandom has come to regard consistent canon as a major sticking point. It probably comes along with wanting longer-term story arcs, and having former Trek-fans as critics

 

[BryonD]

Just another thing: When are dead bodies identified? I mean, Claire was already cut open, wouldn't the parents be called before that? Or was no identification neccessary, as she had an ID or friends around that would identify her? If the parents are called before and have already seen their body, it will become very hard to conceal her powers now - maybe she will be on the run next.

I don't think she is in a medical examiner's office.
I bet her "dad" is the one doing the work on her.

 

[jonathan swift]

I don't think she is in a medical examiner's office.
I bet her "dad" is the one doing the work on her.

Yeah, that was definately my assumption after seeing the preview for next week. And even before then I never thought she was getting an autopsy, just being studied by someone.

 

[Mad Hatter]

Umbran, at the most the only "clue" would possibly be the drawing. Everything else isn't indicative of mimic and you couldn't really make the case. In fact, someone stated they weren't basing their assumption off of the show, but were in fact using their knowledge of comics. Also, someone else said something about reading the spoiler in a TVGuide. So, no, there have been no clues or hints. The other stuff has only been speculation about presumed motive on the part of the writers or some such, but no actual in show event. And I would readily accept him being a mimic or in show reason because I like those kinds of things. But there really hasn't been any.

The basic outline for the XMen is there. And just because Matt, the beat cop, can't project now doesn't mean he won't ever, but there are probably more appropriate telepaths to compare him to. I just find Jean to be the easiest. And I don't see how Niki can be called an aspect of Wolverine. The barest of things they have in common is the blank out and do bad stuff bit. Except Niki's entire ability is based on that it seems. I didn't compare Nathan to Angel because Nathan doesn't have wings. I'd go to someone else for flight and that is a lot of mutants. But basically you have the archetype XMen mutants here. And I didn't say that to be all down on the show. I love this show.

I didn't realize they were playing Peter so old. I went to wikipedia and amazingly enough they already have long entries. And I noticed that whoever wrote the article has Peter being 30. What do you folks think of that? I'm kinda surprised to be honest. I thought they were going for younger for him.

LightPhoenix, I think I'm willing to entertain that Sylar is a representation of all their abilites. The only real reason has almost nothing to do with what we say him doing and a lot to do with the fact that Chandra Suresh took so much interest in him. Prof Suresh has that program and he wrote that book about unlocking abilites and the potential and stuff. Who's to say that he and Sylar together through trial and error didn't unlock some other abilites? Especially if Sylar was the creepy/megolamaniac/religious "I'm doing God's work" type who was one bad day away from becoming a serial killer anyways? I think he did exhibit some strong telekenesis but what if he were trying to unlock more things about himself?

 

[Fast Learner]

Umbran, at the most the only "clue" would possibly be the drawing. Everything else isn't indicative of mimic and you couldn't really make the case.

I thought of him picking up other people's powers all on my own, during the show, when Nathan told him, "I flew, grabbed you, you were too heavy and we both were falling, then you started flying." My immediate thought was, "Wow, he's been dreaming about Nathan's power and he acquired it through touch!"

The drawing never made me think of mimic-stuff, and really, still doesn't. But Nathan's description sure did.

 

[Mad Hatter]

Nathan's comment never had me thinking he was a mimic. It just had me thinking "Man, I can't believe Peter failed and then Nathan had to save him and the peril and adrenaline brought on was enough to get him to fly." That has often been the MO for power discovery since the days of yore.

But still, Nathan's comment isn't a "wow, Peter's a mimic" moment. There's a difference between hard to find clues and then clues that are so out there as to not even be a clue. In retrospect, sure I suppose. I mean it's like in the Sixth Sense. No one could really predict the ending, but all throughout that movie you got this inkling that something isn't quite right with the good doctor. I don't even think that's even the situation here.