Heroes...Season 1 10/09/06 Esp#3

[Umbran]

I'm saying that there is no way to even know that unless you read about it or heard about it because nothing has pointed at it...even subtly.

I came on the idea he was mimicing powers during the episode, before I read the TV guide - my wife and I were discussing why they'd go into the depth they did with him if he was just going to have the same power, when it occurred to us that he didn't have the same power. We tossed aside the "wonder twin" option as being too hokey to be consistent with the rest of the show. This being the next obvious option, and consistent with the available evidence.

That drawing still isn't conclusive.

Well, that's a good step - gone from "not even subtly" to "not conclusive"

Hollywood isn't about being conclusive. Here it is about playing out the possibilities along the genre conventions, and breaking them occasionally just to keep you on your toes. Hiro is strong evidence of that being what they are up to - he's explicitly talking about how he needs to act to be a superhero, taking his cues directly from a comic book! These guys know that their core audience will be comic book fans and their ilk. While they want to avoid the cheese factor found in previous supers shows, they still want those fans, so they'll work it like a comic.

I guess you can call our logic rather similar to meta-gaming. We are using the information that we are watching a superhero show to help figure out what's up. Call it meta-analysis.

 

[Victim]

I think thats a little to out there for how Heroes seems to be doing things. I mean a powerful Telekinetic can essentially do nearly anything with with physical objects and forces, matter and energy, but to me Heroes seems to be sticking to a more basic aproach...like mostly limiting Telekinesis to moving objects without touching them.

The only exception to this are Hiro's rather extreme powers, which honestly I dont much care for, mostly because I dislike time travel. usualy.

Yeah, having that broad of a power does seem contrary to the way the show is going.

However, Silar (and Hiro) could be just be munchkins. "Fine, if we only get one power, then I'm going pick the broadest one I can think." "I'll think take ps-" "TK! Down to the molecular level." "Sigh, I was going to pick psychokineses. Dang. grumble grumle. why'd he have to invite that PKing jerk? Fine. I'll pick space-time control then. Who cares if I won't be able to afford many skills or stats if I've got that maxed out - I can use my lack of skills to justify a bunch of social limitations for even for points to spend on my power." "Yeah, those lims are a good idea. I'm gonna take Casual Killer and some other stuff to boost the TK more."

 

[Mad Hatter]

Possibly, however, I still think that it made more sense for Peter to have this block on flying than to be a mimic.

And I still maintain there isn't even subtle manipulation here. There are no tv show clues so yeah if you were just tossing stuff out there and hoping one would stick ok. But the show hasn't led me to believe that he is a mimic. It feels like a pulled outta the hind end conclusion, which is essentially what meta-analysis is.

I just like analyzing what the show gives me, ya know? Makes it more fun and interesting, especially if you're really looking for a flow. I would be more appreciative of this leap to mimic if the show was actually doing its job and giving us miniscule and seemingly innocuous clues. But, they didn't, so that's the only reason I'm even talking this.

And depending on how they did it two flying brothers wouldn't be hokey especially since one is all but denying that he ever flew and could ever fly. It'd be a nice contrast between the two. Useful as a tool for juxtaposition of ideals. Paralleling basic belief and whatnot. If they went that route and said Nathan represents that people know but are unwilling to acknowledge or "know" and Peter represents that step forward, I think that would be cool and unique.

But right now you know what this show has? It has the XMen. Claire (Wolverine), Nathan (pick a mutant and chances are that mutant can fly), Peter (Rogue or Sync, more Sync though), Matt (Jean Grey), Hiro (oh come on, he's like 5 mutants rolled into one, talk about min-maxing), and Niki, well that chick is a fun wild card as is Isaac. Anyone care to guess who the Prof is in this scenario?

See how it might be more interesting if Peter was a flyer? I like this show though. It is awesome, and they are doing the powers better than the movies, so in no way does anything I've just written lessen the joy for me.

 

[Dracomeander]

From the preview clip, it looks like the man squaring off with Matt in the bar is working with Claire's father. Also, I don't think that is Sylar.

The brief glimpses we got of Sylar in the chase and confrontation with Matt and the FBI lady left me with the impression that Sylar was caucasian, and the man in the bar definitely was not.

Taelorn, you did hear shells hitting the floor when Sylar floated back to his feet. That was one thing about that encounter that really disappointed me in an otherwise very well done series. It was completely the wrong sound effect. You still should have been able to hear the slugs hitting the floor, but the sound should have been duller - not the sharp ringing that was heard.

 

[Ed_Laprade]

Okay, a couple other things I just remembered. Did anyone else catch in the first episode that the train wreck Claire ran into was under the control of the Nuclear Regulatory Commision (something like that)?? I think it said it during the news broadcast. How much you wanna bet that the nuke for New York came from that train!?

Also, in Ep 3 Simone told Isaac that he was late with his comic book stuff. Could this mean that he is actually able to draw the future without being high as he thought? Or is it just that he hasn't started to make the comics about supers and future stuff yet? After all, we only know that Hiro got one 5 weeks in the future. We don't yet know if any past one's were precognitive as well. But I can just about be sure that he hasn't been drawing and writing comics all while high. Not if it's a job he's being paid for at least...

I haven't read the couple of dozen posts after this one yet, but I've just got to comment on this. It doesn't matter. The comics are all done. They go into the publishing pipeline three months before they hit the stands. Five weeks is not three months. I'm fully expecting them to screw this up royally.

 

[LightPhoenix]

Regarding my earlier theory - it's possible all of those were performed via telekinesis. Sylar may just be rediculously powerful, and maybe the brain-eating has something to do with it.

That said, I have to agree with Merlion (which I keep reading as Marillion) regarding the freezing. I think that's pushing a little further than his TK can go. Possible? Sure, but likely? Eh, I'm not so sure.

Also, I've come to agree with the TK explanation for Clea's gun. However, again, if his TK is so powerful, why didn't he just force her to kill herself - or freeze her for that matter. Heck, just rip off her head with the TK.

Also, it doesn't explain the effect of Matt's bullets knocking him down adequately.

Finally, I think that his escape was a bit too quick for him to just levitate out.

Time will tell.

 

[Crothian]

Sylar may just be rediculously powerful, and maybe the brain-eating has something to do with it.

I think you may be looking at this and expecting there to be a clear cut power level of what the characters can and can't do. I imagine that the powers will be strong enough to do what the script requires. I'm not really expecting a lot of consistency.

 

[Mad Hatter]

I think you may be looking at this and expecting there to be a clear cut power level of what the characters can and can't do. I imagine that the powers will be strong enough to do what the script requires. I'm not really expecting a lot of consistency.

I think you are right. It seems to be the factor in both debates taking place in this thread. I find that amusing and weirdly awesome.

 

[BrooklynKnight]

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_003.shtml

 

[Victim]

Also, I've come to agree with the TK explanation for Clea's gun. However, again, if his TK is so powerful, why didn't he just force her to kill herself - or freeze her for that matter. Heck, just rip off her head with the TK.

Maybe he likes the irony of making her shoot herself?