Heroes...Season 1 10/09/06 Esp#3

[buzzard]

Okay, a couple other things I just remembered. Did anyone else catch in the first episode that the train wreck Claire ran into was under the control of the Nuclear Regulatory Commision (something like that)?? I think it said it during the news broadcast. How much you wanna bet that the nuke for New York came from that train!?

Not that I'd put it past Hollywood, but this wouldn't explain a nuke.

First of all the NRC doesn't have anything to do with nuclear warheads. Those are the purview of the Department of Energy and Department of Defense. Even if we assume it was a train with fissile material on it there are a couple of issues:
A) Nuclear waste generally isn't capable of being made into a real nuke without some pretty serious infrastructure (centrifuges and whatnot). Also, it has to be some pretty specific nuclear waste for that to even be possible. Most waste generated is just stuff that got irradiated by being bombarded too much or by picking up radioactive salts.
B) The vessels used to transport nuclear materials are extremely durable. You'd need someone of an extreme power level to bust into one of those in a reasonable amount of time.

Of course the above mattering would require due dilligence on the part of the writers which I wouldn't expect.

buzzard

 

[Mad Hatter]

Umbran you are right. He did try to fly after he saw Isaac's drawing, but he only drew after he tried to fly. That isn't prescience. That's being on a rooftop, seeing the landscape, and then drawing stick figures about him trying to fly. So, that really isn't conclusive of him mimicking Isaac. That's totally after the fact and doesn't account for the dreams he's been having since before he even met Isaac.

 

[Taelorn76]

How is it obvious? He hasn't done anything to indicate that he picked up the gift of future sight. That drawing...the dreams all happened before he ever met Isaac. That is not obvious. Since he's met Isaac, all he's done is talk to his brother and try to fly. There has been no indication that he mimicked Isaac's ability. And I think it would be kinda hard since it requires Isaac to get high as a kite. In fact you can't really conclude that he is a mimic unless you got a spoiler. And even with the spoiler, it's pretty hard to conclude it because they haven't indicated anything other than he should be able to fly, but can't.

He drew that scene on the roof top after he met Issac. He was in the hospital when he drew it. After trying to fly

 

[Arnwyn]

The problem with that is there are more than nine people with powers. Sylar's map, confirmed by Mohinder's comments, shows much more than that.

My personal theory is that Sylar consumes brains to gain powers, hence tracking the heroes on the map. He may have originally had a power, but it's impossible to tell right now.

Evidence:

1) The crime scene Clea and Matt are at shows two distinct powers - the man is frozen and the woman is telekinestically killed.

2) When Matt and "Sylar" (if that was him) stand-off, he shows several powers - mind-control, immunity or regeneration, and some sort of ability to make a hasty retreat.

3) Claire doesn't regenerate until the branch in her brain is removed. As soon as it is, it kicks in.

Ooh! I like your theory better than mine, no question.

 

[jonathan swift]

He drew that scene on the roof top after he met Issac. He was in the hospital when he drew it. After trying to fly

Plus, at the time he was in the hospital, wasn't Peter on strong pain killers that would essentially make him high? Also, had he ever shown a penchant for drawing things before?

He didn't just draw a scene of him flying and then fulfill the basic concept, what he drew came true EXACTLY. Not flying, hovering. Someone wanting to fly wouldn't draw themselves hovering three feet off the ground.

 

[Umbran]

Umbran you are right. He did try to fly after he saw Isaac's drawing, but he only drew after he tried to fly. That isn't prescience. That's being on a rooftop, seeing the landscape, and then drawing stick figures about him trying to fly. So, that really isn't conclusive of him mimicking Isaac.

Conclusive, no. But strong enough for Hollywood.

I'd have to suggest you go back and look at exactly what he drew - it wasn't him flying (or even falling) high above or with his brother. It was him hovering only a couple feet off a surface, level with the ledge behind him. It was a very near replica of the scene that happens shortly afterwards. Too close for coincidence.

Plus, in TV, they don't have a lot of time for "throwaways". They show you him drawing for a reason.

That's totally after the fact and doesn't account for the dreams he's been having since before he even met Isaac.

The dreams may have nothing to do with prescience, and may have everything to do with him unconsciously mimicing his brother's power and manifesting it in his sleep. Then, having had the dream, he actively sets up the situation he's seen in the dream.

Note - he did not actively set up the hovering scene. He was not trying to fly at that point. He was ranting and raving and managed to fly regardless...

 

[Umbran]

2) When Matt and "Sylar" (if that was him) stand-off, he shows several powers - mind-control, immunity or regeneration, and some sort of ability to make a hasty retreat.

All of these might actually be telekinesis:
He clearly uses teke to shove the woman cop against the wall.

He doesn't control the her mind - he moves her gun. She actually tries to move it away with her other hand, so her mind is still working normally.

I don't recall that we see bullets hit, or any wounds. We see the cop fire, and the guy fall down - telekinetic shielding.

After falling down, he doesn't get up like a normal person, he floats up. He could then simply telekinetically lift himself away while the cop's back is truned.

All just good uses of teke, rather than separate powers.

 

[Mad Hatter]

Peter may just be trying too hard to fly. At any rate, I'm not saying that he isn't a mimic. I'm saying that there is no way to even know that unless you read about it or heard about it because nothing has pointed at it...even subtly. Without knowing that he is a mimic, you'd just say that he should be able to fly and for some reason isn't. There is no reason to even bring up being a mimic unless you saw it somewhere. And if you tell me that the first time you saw Peter and what he could do, you thought mimic, I'm gonna have to be skeptical. But knowing he is a mimic in hindsight there are things that could be slapped so hard as to point to him being one.

His drawing wasn't anything spectacular or detailed. Nothing like what Isaac can do. At any rate, he drew after he tried to fly. He tried to fly because he saw Isaac's painting...an incomplete painting in fact because it didn't show Nathan. For all we know, all Isaac drew was Peter falling. But Peter's dreams show him flying and falling and seeing Nathan, which could just be due to the fact that they are brothers and his body is trying to prepare him mentally for flight.

 

[Taelorn76]

Besides, Peter's drawing came after he tried to fly so he probably just drew what he saw at the time.

Peter's drawing came in the second episode after he and his brother flew, after he had met Issac. The drawing he drew was that of him and his brother on a rainy rooftop. With him being a few feet away form his brother as well as a few feet off the roof.

His drawing wasn't anything spectacular or detailed. Nothing like what Isaac can do.

The reason for that is because he is not a skilled artist. He would mimic the superability not the other skills.

 

[SoulStorm]

2) When Matt and "Sylar" (if that was him) stand-off, he shows several powers - mind-control, immunity or regeneration, and some sort of ability to make a hasty retreat.

All of the powers Syler has demonstrated can be achieved through telekinesis. Telekinesis was used to point the gun at the FBI agent's head. A telekinetic field protected him from the bullets, but the kinetic energy they imparted knocked him down. The hasty retreat was likely just him flying away. Even freezing or burning people can be achieved with telekinesis, since heat and cold are just manifestations of molecular agitation. Slowing molecules down creates cold, speeding them up creates heat.

The question is why is he scooping people's brains out? Let's count the possibilities.

1. Maybe he's eating the brains and it's boosting his power.

2. Maybe he's eating the brains because he thinks or hopes that it will increase his power, or give him their powers but it really doesn't.

3. Maybe he's connected to the regenerating girl's father and he's collecting the brains for experimental purposes. Maybe he's doing his own experimenting.

4. Maybe he's taking the brains so that autopsies of the bodies can't be used to identify the unusual brain structures that are the likely source of the powers.

5. Maybe he's just trying to kill off all the potential competition and mutilating bodies is just a hobby, you know, like collecting stamps.