Heroes...Season 1 10/09/06 Esp#3

[Phoenix8008]

Okay, a couple other things I just remembered. Did anyone else catch in the first episode that the train wreck Claire ran into was under the control of the Nuclear Regulatory Commision (something like that)?? I think it said it during the news broadcast. How much you wanna bet that the nuke for New York came from that train!?

Also, in Ep 3 Simone told Isaac that he was late with his comic book stuff. Could this mean that he is actually able to draw the future without being high as he thought? Or is it just that he hasn't started to make the comics about supers and future stuff yet? After all, we only know that Hiro got one 5 weeks in the future. We don't yet know if any past one's were precognitive as well. But I can just about be sure that he hasn't been drawing and writing comics all while high. Not if it's a job he's being paid for at least...

 

[WayneLigon]

How is it obvious? He hasn't done anything to indicate that he picked up the gift of future sight.

He doesn't have to meet him, just be near him, is what I'm thinking. I think later we'll find out that Isaac was in the hospital at the same time Peter was, probably not too far from him. If not, well, this is all just idle speculation. Him duplicating someone else's ability (Isaac's ability to draw the future) isn't just something that's going to occur out of thin air for no reason: there will be a tie-in somehow.

 

[Fast Learner]

Some other possibilities:

We don't know that Nathan was ever able to fly before, the time we saw is likely his first time and that he's just as shocked as Peter was. So a theory is that the two brothers have the power to fly when near each other and otherwise they have no powers.

On Isaac and the comics, it's quite possible that he draws the comics while not high and doesn't even know that they predict the future, that it only feels like prediction when he's high.

 

[JEL]

How is it obvious? He hasn't done anything to indicate that he picked up the gift of future sight. That drawing...the dreams all happened before he ever met Isaac. That is not obvious. Since he's met Isaac, all he's done is talk to his brother and try to fly. There has been no indication that he mimicked Isaac's ability. And I think it would be kinda hard since it requires Isaac to get high as a kite. In fact you can't really conclude that he is a mimic unless you got a spoiler. And even with the spoiler, it's pretty hard to conclude it because they haven't indicated anything other than he should be able to fly, but can't.

Because it was a drawing of the future, which is what Issac's power is (and he drew it after meeting Isaac). I think you're thinking about it too much.

 

[LightPhoenix]

He doesn't have to meet him, just be near him, is what I'm thinking. I think later we'll find out that Isaac was in the hospital at the same time Peter was, probably not too far from him. If not, well, this is all just idle speculation. Him duplicating someone else's ability (Isaac's ability to draw the future) isn't just something that's going to occur out of thin air for no reason: there will be a tie-in somehow.

He did meet Isaac, when Simone brought Peter to the studio to help treat the overdose.

I'm a little peeved I know this (boo accidental spoilage), but pretty much this whole argument will be settled definitely next week.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Peters power might be called "Mimic", but it might still be some kind of empathy. If his brother knew that he can fly and tried it before, maybe Peter dreamed of flying because he empathically noted it. This doesn't explain why his dreams seem so similar to the scene where he tried to fly the first time. It could also be that Simones contact with the prophetic artist somehow could link the power to Peter even before he actually met him - but on the other hand, the artists power doesn't seem to manifest in dreams...

Just another thing: When are dead bodies identified? I mean, Claire was already cut open, wouldn't the parents be called before that? Or was no identification neccessary, as she had an ID or friends around that would identify her? If the parents are called before and have already seen their body, it will become very hard to conceal her powers now - maybe she will be on the run next.

About the characters fighting abilities: Claire might not have much combat experience, but in the long term, she could learn. She is definitely physically fit (cheerleading isn't effortless ), so she could also pick up some martial arts. But at the moment, Hiros powers seem to be the most useful...

 

[mmu1]

About the characters fighting abilities: Claire might not have much combat experience, but in the long term, she could learn. She is definitely physically fit (cheerleading isn't effortless ), so she could also pick up some martial arts. But at the moment, Hiros powers seem to be the most useful...

I don't think that's ever going to happen - for one thing, they have 5 weeks before the nuke goes off. For another, they seem to be keeping things relatively rooted in the real world, so I seriosuly doubt they're going to have a teenage girl go toe-to-toe with the bad guys. Unless she develops some other powers, but so far everyone seems to have just one unique ability.

 

[Taelorn76]

Well, never on the second one.

I think a normal person would have reflexively twisted their head at the last second and vastly reduced the significance of the injury since the stick would scrape more along the surface rather than punching straight through. If I poke my hand on a nail, I'll usually come away with a minor scratch since I'm going to jerk my hand away. Lacking normal awareness of pain, Claire usually isn't going to do that, so she'll probably keep pushing her hand onto the nail and not realize she drove the point through her hand until she looks at it, feels wetness from her blood, or something. I get a tiny scratch and she impales her hand. It's not a matter of being accident prone; it's a consequence of her pain blocking powers.

I'd expect that not feeling pain would lead to pretty much anyone having more frequent and severe injuries.

I don't think you would move your head if you don't know what is behind you. He pushed her pretty hard and a high pain tolerance or not you can't move that fast.

 

[Umbran]

Well, we don't know for sure that it does require him being high. Only that he doesn't get them at any other time except when high. So it is circumstantial and at this point I'm willing to believe he needs to be high.

There is a long tradition in the comics of super-powered people having psychological blocks that confound or restrict use of their powers. If Isaac first used his power when high, or recognized the linkage to paintings he did when high, he might well never think to try when he isn't. Plus, I don't think we have any indication that he ever paints when he isn't high...

In any case, that block need not carry over to someone mimicing the power. It seems to Isaac that the thing is nigh unbelieveable, that he has not come to terms with it - it sends him into nigh panic. But Peter wants to be special. He's seeking it out. A very different psychological position.

And, btw, Peter mentions in the first episode having dreams of flying, and possibly waking up hovering. He's around his brother frequently - I'll suggest that as his power has manifested he has probably weakly mimiced the flight power several times, which could account for the dreams.

I don't have an episode summary in front of me, but as I recall, Peter goes to help Isaac with his overdose before Peter winds up in the hospital himself - the drawing comes after direct contact.

Heck, Sylar could be the red herring and the nuke be the end all. Either way, it's all good.

Back in 2000, there was a short-lived series called The Others. A small group of psychics and supernaturally powered people doing good deeds, and all that. In the final episode, all the characters die.

In Supernatural, they ended the first season by having the main characters in a big car crash, and the viewers did not know who, if any, had survived. It was only later that the show's continuation was announced.

And now, this show has put what appears to be a nuclear detonation on the stage in Act 1.

I see a theme - if you don't know if your show is continuing into the next season - leave yourself an out such that the story can be wrapped up in a highly dramatic way. For Heroes, the difference between the cases of "picked up" and "cancelled" may be five minutes at the end - when we find out if the nuke goes off or not...

 

[Mad Hatter]

I think you're thinking about it too much.

And I don't think I'm thinking about it too much. It just doesn't make a hard conclusion that Peter is a mimic. You wouldn't know that if there wasn't spoilers about. I also like to make sense of what the writers are giving me. And, Simone being a link somehow betwixt the two is really stretching to justify the drawing and dreams. Besides, Peter's drawing came after he tried to fly so he probably just drew what he saw at the time. His dreams could also be his body's way of telling him that he is different. I like to imagine that birds dream about flying. Like I've noted before, flying is not a natural state for a human and the drive has to be there to even try. The dreams could be that drive to push him into doing it. Claire just has to be hurt seriously only once before she's "like WTF let me try this again." Matt just happened upon his telepathy. Isaac got high and looked at his drawings. Niki blanked out and found a whole bunch of dead bodies. And Hiro is a cubicle clerk...need I say more? So they wouldn't need a body preparation. I think Peter would. And if Isaac were in the hospital, chances are he'd be in some sort of forced rehab right about now. And that doesn't jibe with the fact that Simone has been keeping his secret especially in light of Isaac's overdose she called Peter and not an ambulance. So that also seems a stretch to me.

We don't know that Nathan was ever able to fly before, the time we saw is likely his first time and that he's just as shocked as Peter was. So a theory is that the two brothers have the power to fly when near each other and otherwise they have no powers.

Actually, implicit in Nathan's talks with Peter was that he could already fly.
There was some spoilers before the show aired about Nathan possibly being Prof. Suresh's Patient Zero. Although I'm thinking that Sylar is. But how Wonder Twins is that?