The version of the future we were in was not one where Peter saved the Cheerleader. He had the scar. How did that happen? It should not have if he could heal.
It comes down to whether history was altered or not. We know Peter was going to the high school because the painting said so, we don't know if dead cheerleader painting was Claire or Jackie.
You know, screw it, it almost has to be some kind of paradox, otherwise Hiro wouldn't need strings to know when to jump, Peter would have simply told him when he had already done it!
It's pretty well impossible to get all the answers to the logic of time travel as presented in the show so far. There's have to be MUCH more exposition on that than was given in this episode. As such, I've decided not to worry about that too much, and just enjoy what was presented.
And man oh man, was there a lot to enjoy! The best part was Sylar and Peter's fight in the hallway. Just seeing that glimpse made me whoop and holler. I wish we'd seen more! Hopefully we'll get something like that later on!
Also, spoiler warning:
It's been confirmed that Sylar will return in the next season. But what if it's Future Sylar that returns? Even if Present Sylar is killed, suppose Future Sylar defeats Peter in the battle in the hallway. He then goes and gets Future Hiro's brain (he was shot in the chest, remember). Future Sylar is then able to travel through time, and travels back to menace the cast in season two, more powerful than ever!
EDIT: How odd, the spoiler tags won't hide a smiley. :\
Wild Theories Are not Spoilers: But if they are accurate - they might be. My wild theories are sometimes bang on - you were warned
Wild Theory #3:
Alright - here's the deal.
Hiro does not stab Sylar. He stabs Peter who looks like Sylar. That's what sets Peter off and he explodes.
They pulled a bait and switch with the prophetic drawings once because of Candice's power - and they are going to do it to us again.
Peter is having trouble controlling the power and barely has it contained. He thinks Hiro can stop time and kill him. Hiro won't do it. Peter chooses to appear to Hiro as Sylar in order to frighten Hiro into taking action to kill him and stop the explosion.
Which is the very thing which causes the explosion.
So - how do you stop an exploding man? Hiro cannot do it. He cannot directly change time - only indirectly change it by altering the choices of another.
The one man who can prevent Hiro from doing something very stupid is the one man he trusts more than any other.
That would be Ando. When Future Hiro gives Ando the missing page allowing Ando to avoid the circumstances that cause his death - Ando can be present to stop Hiro from stabbing Peter and causing him to blow up.
It's all up to Ando.
You don't need to have a special power to be a Hero.
Jus some random thought. If Peter hadn't saved Claire, Sylar would've gotten her power earlier -- which wouldn't have necessarily made a difference, except that Peter wouldn't get it. So Peter would blow up and die, not blow up and live.
I have no idea of that's at all significant. Much darker future, though, if there's no Peter to oppose Sylar.
Jus some random thought. If Peter hadn't saved Claire, Sylar would've gotten her power earlier -- which wouldn't have necessarily made a difference, except that Peter wouldn't get it. So Peter would blow up and die, not blow up and live.
I have no idea of that's at all significant. Much darker future, though, if there's no Peter to oppose Sylar.
Not really. We don't know if Sylar would have only killed Jackie.
And if Sylar did kill Claire - that does not mean that Peter would not have got that power. Peter meets Sylar. When he does - he takes all the powers that Sylar has. That's the way Peter works.
So Sylar killing Claire does not prevent Peter from getting Claire's healing abiliy from Sylar.
1. Original Timeline: Sylar takes Claire at homecoming and gains the power of regeneration. After a chain of events the "bomb" explodes creating a very dark future.
2. 1st Altered Timeline: Future Hiro travels back in time to warn Peter to "Save the Cheerleader" to prevent Sylar from gaining the power of regeneration. Peter does save the cheerleader, and we see this in the new future (tonight's episode). However, while the cheerleader was saved, the "bomb" still exploded, still creating the dark future. Future Hiro screwed up, because
Sylar is not the "bomb", Peter is
! We learn this tonight as well, straight from the horse's mouth.
3. 2nd Altered Timeline (which starts with next week's episode): Hiro and Ando return to the present to change the future once again, but do not know that
Peter
is the "bomb". So how is the world saved? Tune in next week!
Ed_Laprade said:
Personally, I don't think it's possible for Matt to become more dumb than he already is.
I just don't understand the hate for Parkman (or Niki/Jessica, DL, Micah, ect). Parkman isn't dumb. He's not brilliantly smart, and he is flawed, but he's far from dumb. The future Parkman is a very dark character who has no idea he's working for Sylar. Why? Why can't Parkman just read Sylar's mind and figure it out? We don't know. That's part of the fun.
I get tired of the complaints about this or that character making bad choices and therefore being "dumb" characters. Like half of us would do any better put into such crazy circumstances. This isn't a four-color comic where our heroes are super strong, super smart and always right. This is a character driven drama with very realistic characters (minus the super powers bit) that sometimes, sometimes often, make wrong choices.
Alzrius said:
Also, spoiler warning:
It's been confirmed that Sylar will return in the next season. But what if it's Future Sylar that returns? Even if Present Sylar is killed, suppose Future Sylar defeats Peter in the battle in the hallway. He then goes and gets Future Hiro's brain (he was shot in the chest, remember). Future Sylar is then able to travel through time, and travels back to menace the cast in season two, more powerful than ever
To me, the first proof that they could change the future (...the past...whatever!) that they could stop New York from going BOOM was when Future Hiro didn't expect/remember Past Hiro showing up! That means that there is a change to the past already since he did something different. This also leads me to wonder if the future and past versions might indeed be existing in separate but near identical time lines since Future Hiro's memory didn't auto-correct to gain the memories of his visit there.
My problem/question concerns the following paradox: First time through, Hiro tried to stop the bombman (who he believes to be Sylar) by stabbing him, but he regenerates and blows up anyway. Future Peter though admits to being the bomb. How did he survive Hiro's attack if he didn't have Claire's regeneration? (The newspaper clipping on Hiro's time map showed Claire with her head cut off, not Jackie I believe. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong here.) So Future Hiro tries to save her to deny regeneration to Sylar (incorrectly identifying him again) leading Peter to save her and gain the regeneration power which actually keeps him alive when Hiro tries to stop him from blowing up New York. So is the answer for Hiro to go back and kill Claire himself so neither Peter nor Sylar can get her power?
[whisper]"Kill the Cheerleader, Save the World!"[/whisper] :\
The comic shows Hiro running somebody through. I guess we just have to wait and find out for sure who it is. As an aside, do you think Future Peter's scar is from Hiro's sword or Sylar's finger?
Alzrius said:
Also, spoiler warning:
It's been confirmed that Sylar will return in the next season. But what if it's Future Sylar that returns? Even if Present Sylar is killed, suppose Future Sylar defeats Peter in the battle in the hallway. He then goes and gets Future Hiro's brain (he was shot in the chest, remember). Future Sylar is then able to travel through time, and travels back to menace the cast in season two, more powerful than ever!
Why doesn't it add up? We just don't know all the information yet. Of course we are supposed to wonder how Peter gets a nasty scar like that (other than to look sexy, of course) when he has Claire's power or regeneration. But there are three episodes to go. We might learn the reason, we might actually not. Doesn't mean there isn't a reason there.
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