Heroes Season 1(#20)---4/30/07-'(Five Years Gone)String Theory'

[Steel_Wind]

Also, spoiler warning:

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It's been confirmed that Sylar will return in the next season. But what if it's Future Sylar that returns? Even if Present Sylar is killed, suppose Future Sylar defeats Peter in the battle in the hallway. He then goes and gets Future Hiro's brain (he was shot in the chest, remember). Future Sylar is then able to travel through time, and travels back to menace the cast in season two, more powerful than ever!

EDIT: How odd, the spoiler tags won't hide a smiley. :\

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Even if Future Hiro is too far gone - he could eat Peter can get the same result. Peter has the power too.

It's a neat idea, I'll grant you that. But the whole timeline stuff gets pretty messy.

 

[Steel_Wind]

Why doesn't it add up? We just don't know all the information yet. Of course we are supposed to wonder how Peter gets a nasty scar like that (other than to look sexy, of course) when he has Claire's power or regeneration. But there are three episodes to go. We might learn the reason, we might actually not. Doesn't mean there isn't a reason there.

I think the reason is that the writers are pulling this stuff out of their ass as they go along - and time travel and paradoxes are those things that don't satisfactorily get explained. They felt "committed" to give Peter a scar because of the comment Hiro makes in the past on the subway talking to Peter.

No more; no less.

And if they don't explain that in the next three episodes - then it doesn't add up.

 

[Steel_Wind]

The newspaper clipping on Hiro's time map showed Claire with her head cut off, not Jackie I believe. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong here.)

It showed neither. It was equivocal.

 

[Dire Bare]

To me, the first proof that they could change the future (...the past...whatever!) that they could stop New York from going BOOM was when Future Hiro didn't expect/remember Past Hiro showing up! That means that there is a change to the past already since he did something different. This also leads me to wonder if the future and past versions might indeed be existing in separate but near identical time lines since Future Hiro's memory didn't auto-correct to gain the memories of his visit there.

My problem/question concerns the following paradox: First time through, Hiro tried to stop the bombman (who he believes to be Sylar) by stabbing him, but he regenerates and blows up anyway. Future Peter though admits to being the bomb. How did he survive Hiro's attack if he didn't have Claire's regeneration? (The newspaper clipping on Hiro's time map showed Claire with her head cut off, not Jackie I believe. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong here.) So Future Hiro tries to save her to deny regeneration to Sylar (incorrectly identifying him again) leading Peter to save her and gain the regeneration power which actually keeps him alive when Hiro tries to stop him from blowing up New York. So is the answer for Hiro to go back and kill Claire himself so neither Peter nor Sylar can get her power? "Kill the Cheerleader, Save the World!" :\

The comic shows Hiro running somebody through. I guess we just have to wait and find out for sure who it is. As an aside, do you think Future Peter's scar is from Hiro's sword or Sylar's finger?

We know that first time through, Hiro stabs Sylar, but Sylar regenerates. We DON'T know that Sylar explodes!!! Future Hiro assumes this to be true since Sylar is the Big Bad Evil Guy and Future Nathan (

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actually Sylar himself

) later blames the explosion on Sylar. But it is

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Peter that explodes instead

! Future Hiro is duped by Sylar!!!

Future Hiro warns Peter to save the cheerleader, which he does, but this has very little effect on the timeline. Does Hiro stab a non-regenerating Sylar? Does Hiro stab (or also stab) a regenerating

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Peter

? What is the result? We don't yet know of course!

And it seems that Hiro is somewhat immune to his own time traveling and the changes that result. Future Hiro's memory is not altered and he is unsure if the cheerleader was saved. The newspaper clippings still showed Claire as a grisly murder victim. And if you check out the most recent graphic novel, you find that Future Hiro has only been "back to the future" for a very brief time before running into Present Day Hiro.

 

[Dire Bare]

I think the reason is that the writers are pulling this stuff out of their ass as they go along - and time travel and paradoxes are those things that don't satisfactorily get explained. They felt "committed" to give Peter a scar because of the comment Hiro makes in the past on the subway talking to Peter.

No more; no less.

And if they don't explain that in the next three episodes - then it doesn't add up.

I disagree. Lost is the show where the writers are pulling crazy stuff right out of their asses every week! I'm pretty sure Heroes is tightly scripted. In an older interview with series creater Kring, I remember him saying they had the whole story mapped out, but left in flexibility as production commenced. Which is why Eden got a lot more screen time than originally planned (she was supposed to have been killed off earlier than she was).

But we won't know for sure until the last episode is complete!

 

[Fast Learner]

I think the reason is that the writers are pulling this stuff out of their ass as they go along - and time travel and paradoxes are those things that don't satisfactorily get explained.

So not the case, I'm certain.

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

I think Hiro’s time travel and meddling with the time stream is something easily over analyzed by the fans. What he does and the events he sets in motions are not actually part of causality – we cannot predict what happens because none of it is predicated on real events but what the writers want to happen. It is more or less impossible for us to accurately predict everything, or even a majority, of what will happen because there will always be an X-factor we cannot predict, like the little girl who supposedly has the power to stop Sylar.

 

[John Crichton]

It doesn't add up.

The version of the future we were in was not one where Peter saved the Cheerleader. He had the scar. How did that happen? It should not have if he could heal.

We don't know that. Perhaps an encounter with the Haitian caused his powers to not function completely. Plenty happened in 5 years and we know Peter has been in plenty of fights. Plus, he may get a slightly lesser version of other's powers so a big enough hurts (say, exploding?) could scar him.

Claire did not have to go on the run from the Company? HRG was able to hide her?

Does not add up.

Why not? We have not idea what happened in 5 years. Besides, Bennett isn't working for the company anymore, he is freelancing as mentioned in the ep by the good graces of Parkman.

Unless - the cheerleader never had to be saved. Sylar always got Jackie - never Claire.

I'm not a fan of paradoxes.

That's fine, but the future we saw is only a snapshot and it also isn't written in stone. Everything happened the way it did because nothing else in the past changed. Well, Hiro and Ando are going back now to fix those mistakes.

Anyways: Future Hiro gives Ando a missing page from the comic. I'm guessing it is a vital clue - or how he dies so that he can change that event and break the cycle.

I'm guessing that one act will enable the bomb to be avoided.

It's all up to Ando now.

Could be up to Ando. Or not.

Wild Theories Are not Spoilers: But if they are accurate - they might be. My wild theories are sometimes bang on - you were warned
Wild Theory #3:

[sblock] Alright - here's the deal.

Hiro does not stab Sylar. He stabs Peter who looks like Sylar. That's what sets Peter off and he explodes.

They pulled a bait and switch with the prophetic drawings once because of Candice's power - and they are going to do it to us again.

Peter is having trouble controlling the power and barely has it contained. He thinks Hiro can stop time and kill him. Hiro won't do it. Peter chooses to appear to Hiro as Sylar in order to frighten Hiro into taking action to kill him and stop the explosion.

Which is the very thing which causes the explosion.

So - how do you stop an exploding man? Hiro cannot do it. He cannot directly change time - only indirectly change it by altering the choices of another.

The one man who can prevent Hiro from doing something very stupid is the one man he trusts more than any other.

That would be Ando. When Future Hiro gives Ando the missing page allowing Ando to avoid the circumstances that cause his death - Ando can be present to stop Hiro from stabbing Peter and causing him to blow up.

It's all up to Ando.

You don't need to have a special power to be a Hero. [/sblock]

Not bad, here is my take on the same theme. I'll also note that I didn't read yours until after writing this up. I actually was about to erase mine because we were thinking along the same path.

[sblock]I think the clue is to let Hiro know "which" Sylar to kill. Assumably, both Peter and Sylar can change their shape/alter other's perceptions by the time the bomb goes off. It's very possible that Peter looked like Sylar for some reason in the original timeline and was stabbed by Hiro, then regenerated and exploded. Thus, negating Future Hiro's assumptions that taking Sylar's regeneration out of the picture was the key (and still might be). Sometime in that fight, Sylar takes the form of Nathan after killing him, or even before that. Because of this, I think Nathan is dead this season - prolly in the finale. Either way, it looks like Hiro needs to stab Sylar in Nathan form or maybe even Peter form.

It's also possible that in the above senario Peter doesn't quite have the "perception changing" power yet and Sylar manipulates the situation so that Hiro stabs the wrong person (Peter). We already know that the ability isn't simple shapechanging, but can change the look of a whole room.[/sblock]

 

[Truth Seeker]

HOLIE FRAK!! What A teasing ending...!

 

[Hand of Evil]

Was Sylar using the voice? It looked to be but...I know, this is the question everyone ask but man. I liked it but...I feel I was watching the X-Men stories. So, the event that is now important is the killing of Sylar.

Matt and the Haittian are an interesting team.

I have to say, the one that changes things has to be

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Ando

.

Thoughts on the future:
[sblock]If Sylar is back, got to think he takes a bullet to the brian that weakens him, coma or broke back.[/sblock]