Heroes Season [Volume] 2 (#29)---10/29/07-'The Line'

[Vocenoctum]

Solid grasp on time travel? Heh, no such thing. I do think they've been consistent so far, however.

All the talk about Peter and Hiro not using their time travel abilities wisely forgets one important fact and theme in this show . . . they are all still learning how to use their powers! Even uber-competent Future Hiro, who had a much firmer grasp on time travel than Present-Day Hiro, made some serious errors in his effort to fix the future.

Hiro isn't bopping around space-time leaving presents and notes for Ando because he is unsure he can make it back to Feudal Japan. He simply hasn't developed his powers to that degree yet.

Besides, if Hiro had everything down pat, the show would be boring! "Oops, made a mistake! That's okay, all I have to do is time-travel back a few minutes and I'll get that fixed right up!" Hiro could resolve all the plot points in Seasons 1 and 2 with expert time-travel. Booorrrrriiinnnngggg!

It comes down to seeing what you want to see really. You see the show as being consistent, I don't. I don't think Hiro has shown the slightest trace of common sense in his use of time& space travel. For an intelligent person to decide "no, I will stay in the past and have fun!" rather than "yes, I will return to Ando, then come right back to here when I'm bored", it's just irksome to me.

Time Travel, IMO, is horridly portrayed and used. It's a massive plot device that does only what is needed for the plot, with no internal logic to it.

But, as I said, these things come down to opinion. If the ratings are still good, then I'd say the majority doesn't agree with me and the show should continue it's current direction. I can find other things to watch, or just play Halo3 until I kill another 360, the world moves on.

 

[DonTadow]

It comes down to seeing what you want to see really. You see the show as being consistent, I don't. I don't think Hiro has shown the slightest trace of common sense in his use of time& space travel. For an intelligent person to decide "no, I will stay in the past and have fun!" rather than "yes, I will return to Ando, then come right back to here when I'm bored", it's just irksome to me.

Time Travel, IMO, is horridly portrayed and used. It's a massive plot device that does only what is needed for the plot, with no internal logic to it.

But, as I said, these things come down to opinion. If the ratings are still good, then I'd say the majority doesn't agree with me and the show should continue it's current direction. I can find other things to watch, or just play Halo3 until I kill another 360, the world moves on.

I agree. Hiro has exceptional power of his powers, sure he can not stop parts of time, but he has proven that once he got over his sword fetish he can teleport and time travel pretty effiencently. I don't get why he is not just beaming back and forth through time. Plus he could easily have teleported the whole lot into the place, got the guns out, gut the smith out and warped back to tell Ando about it. Time travel doesn't work as a good superpower. That's why I limit it my M and M game. The goodguys will always win because the hero can just go back in time. Vilians can only make minor victories becuase anything too major the heros could go back and change (ala hiro last season kept going back to see how he could change the nuclear blast).

I had a thought last season that maybe Hiro was only suppose to teleport and somone thought it was a good idea to time travel as well.

Hey, what if peter and the irish woman cause the virus by traveling back to the present after being infected.

 

[ThirdWizard]

I'm not sure whether the katana COULD break the chains...

Maybe. But, it would be completely ruined afterward if it did. Well, really after the first blow it would be ruined either way.

 

[Vocenoctum]

I agree. Hiro has exceptional power of his powers, sure he can not stop parts of time, but he has proven that once he got over his sword fetish he can teleport and time travel pretty effiencently.

He still hasn't mastered his powers, I guess, but that's just another part of his confidence issues that became so repetitive last season for me.

It comes down to this;
There may be an underlying rule, drafted from the start, that governs what can be done to the timeline. Some folks assume this, I assume that they have basically only a very rough idea of a "time rule" and change it as the plot demands.

And, like I said, if Hiro isn't as smart as Bill & Ted when it comes to handling time travel...

 

[Mistwell]

I am rapidly becoming bored with this season. Which would have shocked my past-self by the end of last season.

 

[Grog]

She just played a very mean trick on a person and scared the crap out of her. Granted, the head cheerleader was a very mean, spiteful byotch, but still, Claire isn't fully comfortable with the direction West is leading her in.

If Claire had problems with the stunt she and West were going to pull, the time to voice her objections was before they pulled it, not after. Yelling at West for doing something that she agreed to help him do beforehand just makes her look irrational.

I have a bad feeling about this . . . that stunt is going to turn around and bite Claire in the rear!

Well, considering that West committed assault against that cheerleader, and Claire was his willing accomplice, I hope they suffer some consequences for it.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

If Claire had problems with the stunt she and West were going to pull, the time to voice her objections was before they pulled it, not after. Yelling at West for doing something that she agreed to help him do beforehand just makes her look irrational.

Not that I'm a big fan of the whole Claire/West thing, but...

Have you never been talked into something by someone and then after, turned to them and said something along the lines of, "I can't BELIEVE you talked me into that!!" and then maybe even gone on to rant about how stupid it was?

 

[Victim]

I agree. Hiro has exceptional power of his powers, sure he can not stop parts of time, but he has proven that once he got over his sword fetish he can teleport and time travel pretty effiencently. I don't get why he is not just beaming back and forth through time. Plus he could easily have teleported the whole lot into the place, got the guns out, gut the smith out and warped back to tell Ando about it. Time travel doesn't work as a good superpower. That's why I limit it my M and M game. The goodguys will always win because the hero can just go back in time. Vilians can only make minor victories becuase anything too major the heros could go back and change (ala hiro last season kept going back to see how he could change the nuclear blast).

I had a thought last season that maybe Hiro was only suppose to teleport and somone thought it was a good idea to time travel as well.

Hey, what if peter and the irish woman cause the virus by traveling back to the present after being infected.

Actually, it seems to me that Hiro barely has any control over his time travel ability. Time stops and teleports he controls with increasing skill. But his uses of time travel have been fraught with problems and accidents. He tries to go back to earlier in the day to save Charlie and ends up months off. Even Future Hiro, who was using his time travel in a controlled fashion, spent massive amounts of effort to be able aim his power and then took great pains to minimize other impacts of his time travel ability.

It seems basically like a GM controlled power in MnM. Or perhaps only with a hero point.

 

[PhoenixDarkDirk]

I think the attack on bob was a setup, so mohinder would trust Nikki.

My theory was that it was to make Mohinder willing to use the taser.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I wonder if this season, we will see Heroes falling to the "Dark Side"?

Maya (with some help of Gabriel) becomes more and more willing to use her abilities to get what she wants.
Claire is tempted by West to disturb a (albeit stupid) cheerleader.
Kensei has turned against Hiro and working for White Beard.
HRG (not a "Hero"-hero, but at least a major character) returns back to his ruthless personality (if he ever changed it), and the Haitian is his willing accomplice.

To a lesser extent:
Nikki might (or might not) be overcome by Jessicas personality and works for the Company.
Peter feels the temptation to just kill people who stand in his way (but still resisted).
Mohinder works for the Company and barely manages to resist his orders to test a serum on an innocent young woman.