HM's Carrion Crown AP - OOC

[perrinmiller]

You are right GE, there are times that I should just keep my comments to myself. I tend to regret it afterwards, and this is one of those cases.

OOC rudeness aside.

In multi-lingual environments (which I am living in daily), conversations between people in other languages is generally not considered rude. These fantasy settings are extremely mutli-lingual as there are so many different species running around with different native tongues.

So my initial reaction to Gregori's snapping was him being rude for no reason. That is the paradigm that I have. If someone had done that to me in RL while I was conversing with someone in my family, they would have been given dirty looks for being rude themselves.

However, I do know why Americans (myself being one of them) feel that way in RL, as I have been on both sides of the situation. As a stereo-type, mainstream Americans are mono-lingual like where I grew up, and whenever people are holding conversations in another language, there is a tendency to immediately think there is something being said about them.

The rest of the world tends to be more bi-lingual or multi-lingual in comparison and I don't think this bothers them. I worked in an office with about 5 of us having desks in the same room. Between everyone, there was fluency in 4 different native languages among us and only two of us were native English speakers. Just because we all spoke English, did not mean that the others were being rude for using a different one.

This is just food for thought so you know where I am coming from. Gregori's feelings and actions are still perfectly in character to me.

 

[Satin Knights]

My assumptions were that Gregori knows the mission. Being human, he is also separating himself from the "racially disliked foreigners" that he walked in with by having a little racial tiff. This lets him integrate more with the humans and gather more information from them.

He is trying to jump the fence on the "us vs them" in the crowd's perception. That is fine and good. And it should work fine. There is just enough static for him to leave the table as he has done and talk to others. But not enough to cause the crowd to turn on us. He now gets to take the lead on gathering info on the friendly side of diplomacy with the rest of the crowd.

Quite likely, PM didn't recognize the ploy as such, and got confused as to motives because the actions work against the "sweet, nice and civilized until they attack us" we were walking in with.

That leaves the three racial foreigners sitting at the table gathering info by perception and possibly confrontational crowd members coming to us while we try to be polite.

 

[perrinmiller]

Hmmm, so true, I never considered he was making a ploy.

Doing things like that in the future sounds great. Though, I suggest we write an OOC comment or two to give the others a heads up to avoid unnecessary miscommunication. I have a few other games where we do this, and the OOC communication helps a lot.

For example, we have a military SPECOPS team with clear ranks. One guy is playing a Jayne Cobb (Google him if you are not familiar with Firefly TV Show) type character, only more so. There is always IC tension and conflict between players, but it works because of the OOC explanation. Likewise the team leader discusses the orders OOC to ensure the other players have consensus when he issues commands.

 

[perrinmiller]

Mowgli just brought something to my attention with his IC post. I forgot that I made the Sleep Spell as part of the story for rescuing the Professor and did not change it when I dumped the spell for Grease. I fixed it (minor change).

 

[GlassEye]

Been a long day and I'm tired so I'm gonna try to keep it short.

First, I over-reacted and I apologize.

As for the rest of it, I understand where you are coming from with your description of multi-lingual environment. It's not quite the same, but I live in a university town with a large number of international students and faculty. I don't get irritated when people speak other languages around me. Coupla things though: Tokyo probably isn't equivalent to the situation in rural Ustalav; Ravengro is probably more like a rural midwestern American town. And there is a difference in being around people who speak other languages regularly and being in a specific group where it's known you are the only one that doesn't speak a language and people speak it anyway.

And in all honesty, the idea of using the situation as a ploy to get in better with the locals didn't occur to me until after my initial reaction.

So, I agree: communication is important and I'll work on that and also work on communicating in a better fashion. And I'll try not to be so thin-skinned when it comes to jokes and other comments.

 

[perrinmiller]

No worries mate, I had no idea I had ticked you off. I was probably channeling a bit of Borric too.

I went back and read what I wrote and realized I sounded like a jerk and overreacted as well.

I need to follow my own rule to wait at least 12 hours or after a night's sleep before posting OOC about being irked over something. But it sometimes is better to get things off your chest instead of letting them fester.

 

[perrinmiller]

@SK, So we are going discuss the weather? LOL

We gotta be able to come up with something better to RP about.

 

[HolyMan]

I am wondering why RPGing at the tavern was needed instead of the dinner table?

In related news I just downloaded my free PDF of Trail of the Beast. So if I'm not about much this weekend you know why.

HM

 

[perrinmiller]

I am perfectly willing to just roll the dice for the Gather Information check and move along once Gregori is done. But I think we need to make a few friends and the guy mixing drinks is a good candidate.

Speaking of this weekend, I will have a wedding to go to and an 18 hour drive to get there and then back again. I will leave Thursday afternoon (EST in US) so I might be scarce until I get back on Tuesday.

 

[Satin Knights]

I was just drawing a blank for chit chat, and making time for Gregori to do a little human on human information gathering. Marshan is a soldier with little social grace, and he knows it. This is the place for the bard to shine, unless we get into a brawl. That doesn't look to be happening this time. The tavern was just a test to see if we are going to be fighting with every town folk we encounter. Marshan has already shown him self as menacing when threatened, and is trying to show himself to town folk as civilized if treated well.

Make the appearance, drink the one drink politely, and leave, checking on the graveyard as we go home. Marshan is thinking of going in and moving the treant to a different side of the grave just to yank the chains of the locals. Of course once he starts, he is going to have to sneak out every night to do that.

If I seem to disappear, my mother went into the hospital and they are still doing tests. My character sheets should have about everything needed to take my character(s) over for a day or two.