Honey, I Shrunk the Monster Manual!

[Pale]

I find it interesting that people instantly complained, instead of going "Awesome! We'll get a mini sooner AND it's more like the oldskool version!"

People? I thought it was just me.

Kuni: I don't want their minis. If I wanted crappy minis with bad paint jobs, I'd do it myself! I'm firmly on the side of the fence that refuses to take their D&D Role Play back to it's roots of Miniature Wargaming. I don't like the blending of the two, never have, never will.

So excuse me for expressing my displeasure at table top game mechanics being directly influenced by the crappy mini-system of hurriedly churned out plastic crack so they can shoehorn them together for a quick profit on something that will ultimately be worthless even to collectors after 4E has gone to the wayside in 5 to 8 years because of the shoddy workmanship.

Big whoop. Bring me some colossal dragons and don't spare the spare ribs.

 

[Baby Samurai]

If I wanted crappy minis with bad paint jobs, I'd do it myself!

Yeah, I agree, the DDM are of really poor quality for their price – I've gotten higher quality miniatures out of gumball machines (Little Homies etc).

 

[Henry]

Yeah, I agree, the DDM are of really poor quality for their price – I've gotten higher quality miniatures out of gumball machines (Little Homies etc).

And by contrast my group loves 'em, and uses them every week. They're definitely better looking and cheaper than what we could do ourselves. We're not mini-painters; I gave away all my lead and pewter-alloy figs when I started collecting DDM.

 

[Baby Samurai]

I gave away all my lead and pewter-alloy figs when I started collecting DDM.

Man, do I have the wrong friends…

 

[MerricB]

The trouble with gargantuan+ creatures is how unmanueverable they are around the battlefield. They just sort of sit there, because the PCs surround them.

Cheers!

 

[Baby Samurai]

The trouble with gargantuan+ creatures is how unmanueverable they are around the battlefield. They just sort of sit there, because the PCs surround them.

Trample!

 

[WhatGravitas]

The trouble with gargantuan+ creatures is how unmanueverable they are around the battlefield. They just sort of sit there, because the PCs surround them.

Cheers!

True. I prefer creatures of size "Huge" or less, because then they get unwieldy and clumsy on the battlefield.

What I'd really like: Only treat stuff as big as Huge as creatures - bigger things get a special half-creature/half-terrain treatment (climbing on them, falling down, moving the group wholesale, because they're standing on them)...

Cheers, LT.

 

[Baby Samurai]

What I'd really like: Only treat stuff as big as Huge as creatures - bigger things get a special half-creature/half-terrain treatment (climbing on them, falling down, moving the group wholesale, because they're standing on them)...

Love that idea.

 

[Cadfan]

So excuse me for expressing my displeasure at table top game mechanics being directly influenced by the crappy mini-system of hurriedly churned out plastic crack so they can shoehorn them together for a quick profit on something that will ultimately be worthless even to collectors after 4E has gone to the wayside in 5 to 8 years because of the shoddy workmanship.

Is there even a shred of actual evidence that 4e is being influenced by an effort at selling miniatures?

And just to spike a typical response before it happens- evidence would have to be something not already present in 3e.

 

[Wiseblood]

Does anyone think that a lot of formerly-Huge 3.5-era monsters will be shrunk to Large size so that they're easier to make as minis?

The Glabrezu/Nalfeshnee seem like particularly likely culprits, especially as their original AD&D 1e descriptions have them as shorter than the Balor.

WotC doesn't care if they are easier to make as minis. They sell them in random packs. Demand for some minis may be high but in this case that just means you pay more for the in-demand ones when you buy a single at the hobbie store.

BTW, I hate random booster pack marketing. :\