Horrible games that you couldn't resist. . .

I have a Shelf of Shame. Spawn of Fashan, World of Synnibarr, SenZar, Forge: Out of Chaos, Children of the Sun ... they're all there. I suspect that when I get the chance to actually read some of the many other small press 80s and 90s games I own, the shelf will get larger.

I'm looking forward to it :)
 

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Capellan said:
I have a Shelf of Shame. Spawn of Fashan, World of Synnibarr, SenZar, Forge: Out of Chaos, Children of the Sun ... they're all there. I suspect that when I get the chance to actually read some of the many other small press 80s and 90s games I own, the shelf will get larger.

I'm looking forward to it :)

FOoC and CoS aren't really horrible in the SenZar/Synnibarr way, so much as they are in the "over-hyped, fairly clunky system" kind of way. Otherwise, it sounds like you have a pretty decent collection of Grade-A Trash going. I envy you :D
 

It Came from the Late, Late, Late Show.

Premise is that you are bad actors in bad movies.

It really was fun. I think the best game we had out of it was the one that I made up as we went along. Kind of like directing a B movie, I guess. :D
 

jdrakeh said:
FOoC and CoS aren't really horrible in the SenZar/Synnibarr way

I would rather spend an entire day playing SenZar than repeat the three hour torture that was my one Forge game.

And CotS doesn't just have clunky mechanics. It has a plethora of craptastic background, a complete inability to deliver on what the cover purports it to be, and multitudes of furry races. Let's not even mention the island that looks like a sexual organ. It's an RPG trainwreck :)
 

Capellan said:
I would rather spend an entire day playing SenZar than repeat the three hour torture that was my one Forge game.

Well, different strokes for different folks, I guess. I know plenty of sane, reasonable, people who played Forge several years ago. That said, its mechanics were clunky -- three different ways to raise skills? That was dumb. Other than that, it seemed like a pretty straightforward D&D clone, to me.

And CotS doesn't just have clunky mechanics. It has a plethora of craptastic background, a complete inability to deliver on what the cover purports it to be, and multitudes of furry races. Let's not even mention the island that looks like a sexual organ. It's an RPG trainwreck :)

I did forget about Genital Island. The rest of that stuff, though, rarely seemed to count as a strike against the game at the time of its release. I get that you don't like it, but that still doesn't put it up on the same pedestal as SenZar or Synnibarr. Those games are widely held to horrible because of their tasteless contents.

The wider consumer audience seemed only to be put off CotS by the clunky mechanics and the island thing (which actually didn't get noticed by a lot of people until the Crace supplement was published, IIRC). Though the "diesel punk" criticism came up from time to time, since nobody could say for certain what "diesel punk" was, nobody could say for certain that the game failed to capture it.

I'm still unconvinced that CotS has earned "Trash" status. Most importantly, again, because I am not talking about "Trash" in the sense of "unplayable games" or mere "disappointments" but in the sense of "deliberately, unapologetic, over-the-top, tastelessness". Some people seem to be understanding me just fine, but the rest of you. . . go rent Pink Flamingoes. Seriously. Watch that and then return to this thread :)
 

jdrakeh said:
I did forget about Genital Island. The rest of that stuff, though, rarely seemed to count as a strike against the game at the time of its release. I get that you don't like it, but that still doesn't put it up on the same pedestal as SenZar or Synnibarr. Those games are widely held to horrible because of their tasteless contents.

Really?

Man, I think I am the only person who thinks Synnibar is a pretty fun read. I mean, it's packed to the gills with retarded content...but tasteless?

I think that for as much love as Gamma World is given on RPG boards for it's "Wahoo" flavor, Synnibar--which has about 400 times the "Wahoo" factor of any other game I've ever crossed paths with--would get some love.

I mean, it's insane, and reads like it is written by someone who is on a steady diet of Caffeine, Gunpowder, Animation and Testosterone...but it is damnably fun to read, and the one time I played it it was at least as fun as Gamma World.
 

I am not talking about "Trash" in the sense of "unplayable games" or mere "disappointments" but in the sense of "deliberately, unapologetic, over-the-top, tastelessness"

So now we can only mention games we feel are "tasteless"? (whatever that means)

I'd like to hear what about SenZar's content is tasteless. Silly, sure. But tasteless?

Also, Cyborg Commando, which YOU cite in your first post. What's tasteless about it?

I'm asking this question as someone who understands the appeal of "badness". I've watched House of the Dead four times for a reason. :)
 

Capellan said:
Also, Cyborg Commando, which YOU cite in your first post. What's tasteless about it?

Go read Johnny Nexus' awesome Critical Miss and read his article about playing Cyborg Commando.

I was wiping the tears from my eyes about halfway through, not just because it was funny...but because it was so true
 

"I'm asking this question as someone who understands the appeal of "badness". I've watched House of the Dead four times for a reason."

Ye gods..I'm filled with both horror and respect in equal measure. :cool:
 

It is with a mixture of shame and perverse pride that I admit to owning all of the awful games that are mentioned here. At least the ones that actually entered print (no FATAL for me, thankyouverymuch).

They're all interesting to read, and I've even run one-shots of some of them (Synnibar and SenZar were the most fun). If you want to amuse yourself, check out google's archive of listserve posts for posts on SenZar. The game's creators decided to challenge some friends of mine to a fight for dissin' their game. The SenZar parody commercial was particularly funny.

--Steve
 

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