How can I get divine grace as a cleric?

[The Lost Muse]

I think a domain would do it - a cleric having a good charisma reinforces one of their primary abilities, so anything that increases the benefit of a high charisma should cost more than just the ability to turn undead. Domain powers and 9 spells ought to do the trick. (IHMO)

 

[Nonlethal Force]

I think a domain would do it - a cleric having a good charisma reinforces one of their primary abilities, so anything that increases the benefit of a high charisma should cost more than just the ability to turn undead. Domain powers and 9 spells ought to do the trick. (IHMO)

Huh. That's funny. I would have personally evaluated a domain to be weaker than Turn Undead - especially if Divine Feats are in play from CD and other sources. Giving up Turn Undead also means giving up the ability to have feats that use Turn Undead as a mechanic. In that context, domains seem minor to Turn Undead. of course, its these kind of differences that make the world go round. And as they say, YMMV!

 

[Nifft]

Huh. That's funny. I would have personally evaluated a domain to be weaker than Turn Undead - especially if Divine Feats are in play from CD and other sources.

I agree strongly with this.

If you allow Divine feats, Charisma can do a lot of heavy lifting. Removing Turn Undead in exchange for Divine Grace means the Cleric must value Charisma, but cannot do so to the detriment of everything else.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Whimsical]

I think that exchanging Turn Undead (in a game that uses the Complete books) for Divine Grace is a fair trade.

 

[Darklone]

Aren't there Divine Feats that increase your saves?

 

[Seeten]

Yes, but they are bad, iirc.

 

[pallandrome]

Meh, I'll probably just go Pally. What's a good pally PrC for killing undead?

 

[Darklone]

Meh, I'll probably just go Pally. What's a good pally PrC for killing undead?

Who needs a PrClass with the right choice of Divine Feats and Extra Turning and Cha 20...

 

[pallandrome]

Actually, it'll have around Cha 25. Go go Gestalt Sorc/Pally...

EDIT: I hate to be so needy with build help, but I honestly know jack crap about building divine characters. What are considered "good feats" for such a character? I was under the impression that pallys made poor undead turners...

 

[Seeten]

Undeath to Death, Command Undead, Hold Undead, Disintegrate?