D&D (2024) How D&D Beyond Will Handle Access To 2014 Rules

D&D Beyond has announced how the transition to the new 2024 edition will work on the platform, and how legacy access to the 2014 version of D&D will be implemented.

• You will still be able to access the 2014 Basic Rules and core rulebooks.
• You will still be able to make characters using the 2014 Player's Handbook.
• Existing home-brew content will not be impacted.
• These 2014 rules will be accessible and will be marked with a 'legacy' badge: classes, subclasses, species, backgrounds, feats, monsters.
• Tooltips will reflect the 2024 rules.
• Monster stat blocks will be updated to 2024.
• There will be terminology changes (Heroic Inspiration, Species, etc.)

D&D (2024) - Wizards of the Coast Backtracks on D&D Beyond and 2014 Content

Wizards of the Coast posted an overnight update stating that they are not going forward with previously released plans to require those wishing to use some 2014 content on D&D Beyond to use the Homebrew function to manually enter it. Instead, all the content including spells and magic items will...

www.enworld.org

 

[Micah Sweet]

No, they are not all implementations of that standard.

5e DnD was created, whole cloth, without any SRD being referenced. There was not a single point in time where WoTC went "we need to look at the reference document for how to write this rule, to follow the "standard" set by a different company". WoTC set the standard.

A5e or Level Up, at the very least, has always been "You like DnD 5e, here are a bunch of houserules for it" and based entirely on 5e. I haven't seen as much of Tales of the Valiant, but it did much the same in its marketing. There is a major difference here.

I don't recall anyone but you referring to Level Up as "DnD 5e with a bunch of houserules". It's diminutive.

 

[mamba]

Micah literally said "Those should be separate games." And the only reason to do that is to make them illegitimate of the D&D name.

I read games as editions, since that was the context it was in

 

[Minigiant]

Citation please. I provided a past example where that wasn't the case.

D&D was always the biggest name in RPG.

The only real competition it ever had was VTM when TSR was on its deadbed.

And then, all RPGs were suffering.

 

[mamba]

No, they are not all implementations of that standard.

5e DnD was created, whole cloth, without any SRD being referenced. There was not a single point in time where WoTC went "we need to look at the reference document for how to write this rule, to follow the "standard" set by a different company". WoTC set the standard.

a standard does not have to come first, D&D is still an implementation of the 5e standard

 

[Micah Sweet]

Are you stating that neither of them require the 5e Core Books to be run? In that case, why are they considered 5e at all and not seperate games entirely different from 5e? If they have their own PHB, MM and everything else and don't need anything from the DnD 5e games, then they are not the same game.

And, funnily enough, looking at Level Up at least... sure seems like they want to have their cake and eat it too.

FAQs — Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition (A5E)

www.levelup5e.com

So, Level up is Dungeons and Dragons 5e edition, just a stand-alone version of it with entirely different rules, except where those rules are the exact same? Which again... really just amounts to a bunch of homebrew for DnD 5e. That's all this is. Very extensive homebrew for 5e, but but it exists solely as a version of Dungeons and Dragons 5th edition. ADDING to the that game, but unwilling to be its own game, separate from DnD.

They say, "the 5e ruleset", which is freely available for use. They do NOT say "Dungeons & Dragons". I am not making the assumption you are making that those are the same thing.

 

[DEFCON 1]

EN World would be filled with people asking Morrus for Level Up Again: A6e.

"Filled" might be overstating things a bit.

 

[Micah Sweet]

D&D was always the biggest name in RPG.

The only real competition it ever had was VTM when TSR was on its deadbed.

And then, all RPGs were suffering.

Never said they weren't the biggest name. But there was a time when the gap wasn't so big you couldn't see the other side.

 

[Chaosmancer]

I don't play WotC 5e, and I can go online right now and find people running my preferred games (not just Level Up). That issue is from my perspective overblown.

And yet you have repeatedly stated that the only reason you are on these forums, talking about DnD 5e, is because that is all anyone really talks about. Because it is the the only game that has an impact on everything else.

And I've seen DOZENS of posters who have stated the only reason they play DnD 5e despite hating it, is because they cannot find games for their preferred system and DnD 5e is the ONLY game they can consistently find. Maybe it is slightly overblown, but my own experiences line up with that pretty consistently. You want a one-shot? You might be able to find a handful out there from other systems. You want a campaign? You are seeing at least 75% DnD 5e, with the majority of the rest being Pathfinder 2e.

 

[mamba]

As soon as WotC's audience moves off of 5E and onto D&D 6E (whenever that gets made), Level Up and Valiant are going to be hurting for players the same way all the would-be 4E players complaining that no one wants to play 4E because they all want to play 5E.

depends on how well received 6e is, you could also use 3e to 4e as your scenario rather that 4e to 5e

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yeah, but you need WotC's audience.

As soon as WotC's audience moves off of 5E and onto D&D 6E (whenever that gets made), Level Up and Valiant are going to be hurting for players the same way all the would-be 4E players complaining that no one wants to play 4E because they all want to play 5E.

Will there be some tables that continue to play Level Up ten years from now? Sure. But will EN World also be filled with people saying they'd like to play Level Up but that no one in their area wants to because they are all playing 6E? Also sure.

4e never had a way to play an actively supported game once WotC pulled the plug. I wish they did. That's not the case here.