How Do Metamagic Rods Work For Preparation Spellcasters?

[glass]

Easy. Three yesterday, three today, three tomorrow, . . .

If you only want to cast three spells per day. The restriction is on how many metamagicked spells are cast, not how many are prepared.


glass.

 

[Infiniti2000]

They get to cast 3 spells per day this way, but there is no limit to how many total spells they can prepare this way (by RAW).

I agree. More importantly, you can then allow all your preparation spell-casting buddies to use the rod. The caveat here (which I mentioned earlier) is that time cannot be an issue.

 

[Infiniti2000]

If you only want to cast three spells per day. The restriction is on how many metamagicked spells are cast, not how many are prepared.

Well, you've yet to explain what you think the RAW is in this case, and your comments are not clear. So, if you want to discuss it further, perhaps you'd care you explain your position more clearly?

 

[Thanee]

Greetings...

Well, please correct me if I'm wrong... but...

Spontaneous spell-casters are required to spend extra time to apply a metamagic effect to a spell. That somehow, having a metamagic rod should then allow them not only apply the effect...but also not have to spend the whole round casting the spell? Effectively speeding up the casting time (or I should say not slowing down the casting time) AND giving the metamagic benefit?

So, that's two benefits for the spontaneous spell caster, where as the non-spontaneous spell caster only gets one benefit... the metamagic effect alone.

So... why should sorcerers and bards get a double benefit, where the wizard and others only get the singular benefit?

You are kidding, right? Please tell me, that you are kidding there.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

If one literally rules like Hyp and Thanee that it is during preparation, then metamagic rods are not well defined for prepared casters.

Yeah, the description is not well-written at all.

There is no language that the metamagic from the rod disappears after 24 hours or some such, so literally one is almost forced to interpret (without additional house rules) that if it is at preparation time, then a caster can have 50 such prepared spells. Reading it literally for preparation time and then not reading it literally for preparation (times per day) is not consistent. Either one rules per literal RAW, or one does not. But, this results in adjudication issues.

I don't see the problem there... the intent is obvious, that you can only have three such spells prepared (assuming that preparation is necessary, of course) at any time from a single rod.

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Thanee

 

[Vuron]

You are kidding, right? Please tell me, that you are kidding there.

Bye
Thanee

I see where the poster has a valid point from a game balance standpoint

ie that the sorceror gains two benefits the metamagic without a higher spell slot and that he is able to ignore the standard spontaneous casting metamagic requires 1 full round.

Honestly though I'm not that opposed to having a magic item be slightly better for one character versus another.

As to the metamagic at preparation it seems like if that was the intent the description should read that the caster can cast 3 spells of his choice into the rod per day and can call on the magic + the metamagic effect during the course of the day with a standard action. Of course that would still mess up the quicken rod but tbh that rod causes more trouble than it's worth.

 

[KarinsDad]

I don't see the problem there... the intent is obvious, that you can only have three such spells prepared (assuming that preparation is necessary, of course) at any time from a single rod.

Interesting. It doesn't state that.


As for intent, I thought the intent was clear that it was spontaneous (based on the WotC literature on this subject).

 

[RainOfSteel]

I voted for "when casting the spell".

The rules state the rods may be used 3 times per day, and notes no restriction on the usage times.

Since prepared spell casters may use the rod "3 times per day" without restriction on the usage time, then obviously they may use them at any time of the day, not just when spells are prepared.

 

[Thanee]

Interesting. It doesn't state that.

As for intent, I thought the intent was clear that it was spontaneous (based on the WotC literature on this subject).

...(assuming that preparation is necessary, of course)...

Bye
Thanee

 

[Infiniti2000]

I don't see the problem there... the intent is obvious, that you can only have three such spells prepared (assuming that preparation is necessary, of course) at any time from a single rod.

That is obviously not the intent, is what you meant to say. You can use it 3 times per day. What in the wording of the item leads you to believe otherwise?