D&D 5E How Do You Handle Group Skill Challenges?
jmartkdr2
Hero
Sometimes I use DMG group checks, sometimes I use 'weakest/strongest link', sometimes I don't lump the checks together. It's all very situational.
For examples: even with just stealth, I'd do a DMG group check for a long sneak where the stealthiest can scout a bit ahead, find the best path and guide others, etc. If they're too close to the enemy to communicate stealthily, they each roll and if anyone's spotted the enemy is alerted. (although they don't necessarily see everyone) But sometimes they're far enough apart form each other that each pc's success or failure stands independently, and I need to know who's seen and who's still hidden.
(Strongest link would be like a perception check when the party can communicate: if anyone sees it, we assume they point it out to the others.)
I do prefer to use DMG group checks when possible; it's the teamwork-iest version, gives the specialists a chance to shine a bit, and keeps one bad roll from ruining everything.
For examples: even with just stealth, I'd do a DMG group check for a long sneak where the stealthiest can scout a bit ahead, find the best path and guide others, etc. If they're too close to the enemy to communicate stealthily, they each roll and if anyone's spotted the enemy is alerted. (although they don't necessarily see everyone) But sometimes they're far enough apart form each other that each pc's success or failure stands independently, and I need to know who's seen and who's still hidden.
(Strongest link would be like a perception check when the party can communicate: if anyone sees it, we assume they point it out to the others.)
I do prefer to use DMG group checks when possible; it's the teamwork-iest version, gives the specialists a chance to shine a bit, and keeps one bad roll from ruining everything.
MarkB
Legend
For the stealth check I'd use the standard group check rules. For the other examples I'd probably mix it up a bit.
Like, hanging out and listening for rumours, I'd have the players each describe what they're doing, and ask for an appropriate check - Perception if they're casually standing around listening to general chat, maybe Stealth if they want to get within earshot of a group who are trying to keep their conversation private, or Persuasion if they ask the barkeep what's been happening recently.
If more than one player want to try the same approach, I'll give them the option of using the Help action to allow the one with the best modifier to roll with advantage.
Like, hanging out and listening for rumours, I'd have the players each describe what they're doing, and ask for an appropriate check - Perception if they're casually standing around listening to general chat, maybe Stealth if they want to get within earshot of a group who are trying to keep their conversation private, or Persuasion if they ask the barkeep what's been happening recently.
If more than one player want to try the same approach, I'll give them the option of using the Help action to allow the one with the best modifier to roll with advantage.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing
On a related note, I'd love to know more about Matt Mercer's group checks for the Raise Dead spell. It's obviously some kind of ritual, and some kind of challenge, but that's all that I can really say about it without seeing his notes.
Oofta
Legend
It just depends on what the check is. It may be majority rules, it may just be handled individually or whatever else seems to fit the scene or would be most fun.
For the most part stealth checks are group, but can fail or require extra checks if someone rolls badly enough. But there is no hard and fast rule, it depends how difficult I envision the stealth check being. If they're trying to sneak down a hall and someone gets a 1 on their check, it may not matter if everyone else got above 20. On the other hand, I'll rarely set up that scenario without letting the players know how difficult it will be and giving them a reasonable if not quite as beneficial non-stealth alternative.
If gathering information or investigating, some PCs may get information, some may accidentally give away the fact that they're gathering information. I tend to do things like that in an unstructured fashion in any case.
For the most part stealth checks are group, but can fail or require extra checks if someone rolls badly enough. But there is no hard and fast rule, it depends how difficult I envision the stealth check being. If they're trying to sneak down a hall and someone gets a 1 on their check, it may not matter if everyone else got above 20. On the other hand, I'll rarely set up that scenario without letting the players know how difficult it will be and giving them a reasonable if not quite as beneficial non-stealth alternative.
If gathering information or investigating, some PCs may get information, some may accidentally give away the fact that they're gathering information. I tend to do things like that in an unstructured fashion in any case.
I instituted this for Stealth, which I know most DMs would not. I found that it works extremely well, since by RAW (everyone has to beat the DC) Stealth just doesn't work for a group. You basically have super disadvantage equal to the number of party members, since if your lowest roll misses, you all essentially fail (although you might benefit from hidden on round 1). Technically this would work for enemies too, so I'd have to roll 20 stealth checks for 20 goblins, using the lowest roll against the PCs. By using the group check, I only roll once for each group of monsters (which would be the average) and the party can have people in heavy armor without having to face every enemy in combat.
R_J_K75
Legend
If I'm DMing and everyone yells at me what they're trying to do all at once they all fail automatically. But all of us at the table are chaotic idiotic so that rule only makes sense.
But seriously as others have said depending the situation in most cases I break it down to the player(s) with the lowest bonus and call for as few checks as makes sense. Sometimes I'll let a few players help adding bonuses or let the group just take 20.
But seriously as others have said depending the situation in most cases I break it down to the player(s) with the lowest bonus and call for as few checks as makes sense. Sometimes I'll let a few players help adding bonuses or let the group just take 20.
R_J_K75
Legend
I think the skill system in and of itself just doesn't work in some cases. What I happen to see is, one player tries to intimidate an NPC, then after the first check fails every other player wants to try. If I weren't too lazy Id develop an initiative system of some sorts for skills but many times they're so spontaneous its hard to adjudicate.
Bolares
Hero
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