Human Monks can take Improved Natural Attack?

[moritheil]

tokens are money in the arcade but not outside of the arcade, of course.

But then, if they are always considered money inside then you could use them to buy other things than just video games. Or, you could even use them for more than one video game.

As long as you are inside of the arcade it is treated exactly the same as money.

Just like as long as you are trying to qualify for something that needs a natural weapon then it is ok, as long as it enhances of course.

You couldnt qualify as a natural weapon just because, only in specific cases. Just like the tokens, they dont always qualify as money, just in special cases.

They are NOT money; they merely count as money. You cannot redeem them freely for an equivalent value in USD, for example. Imprecise statements aside, I see that we do understand this much, at least.

In this case, your statement of the terms under which IUS is a natural weapon is imprecise, and it is this lack of distinction between feats and effects of feats that leads to your assertion that "something that needs a natural weapon" that "it is ok" for includes feats.

 

[IanB]

It should be pointed out that we cannot assume that the word 'effect' means the same thing every time it appears in a D&D book (cf. level.)

 

[moritheil]

It should be pointed out that we cannot assume that the word 'effect' means the same thing every time it appears in a D&D book (cf. level.)

Well said.

 

[Artoomis]

They are NOT money; they merely count as money. You cannot redeem them freely for an equivalent value in USD, for example. So I see that we do understand this much, at least....

But if the prerequisite for admission was to have money, they'd count because they count as money for the arcade, even though they can't be used until you actually get inside.

 

[moritheil]

But if the prerequisite for admission was to have money, they'd count because they count as money for the arcade, even though they can't be used until you actually get inside.

No. I cannot pay bus fare to the arcade in arcade tokens. I can only play the games inside with them.

 

[Artoomis]

<whoops>

 

[Nail]

Wow.

 

[Artoomis]

No. I cannot pay bus fare to the arcade in arcade tokens. I can only play the games inside with them.

Oh, please. I did not say the prerequisite to get transportation to get to the arcade, but to get in - that is, get past the security guard who makes sure that only folks with money get in.

Since the tokens count as money for arcade purposes, you meet the prerequisite of having money and are allowed through the doors into the arcade.

That's a nice analogy to the INA feat and monks.

 

[moritheil]

Oh, please. I did not say the prerequisite to get transportation to get to the arcade, but to get in - that is, get past the security guard who makes sure that only folks with money get in.

Since the tokens count as money for arcade purposes, you meet the prerequisite of having money and are allowed through the doors into the arcade.

I don't feel that accurately reflects the IUS situation.

Let me elaborate: IUS is not fundamentally a natural attack.

It's like the door guard is saying, "This arcade is not for kids, because it includes graphic violence. You're 14, and you need to be 16 according to the law that Congress just passed. Go to the other arcade down the street."

And you're saying, "But, I'm in advanced math, with all the 16 year olds! I game just as well as 16 year olds, too!"

The guard will say, "Yeah, but, you're not actually 16. Sorry."

 

[Artoomis]

I don't feel that accurately reflects the IUS situation.

No? Are your refering to IUA, INA and monks? If so, it's a directly applicable analogy, though it might be easier to stick with the examination of feats as effects than dealing with the issue of meeting prerequisites even if feats are NOT effects.