D&D (2024) Humanoids in the MM...

[dave2008]

... or this ridiculous First World concept...

I got to say I love the First World concept and I have incorporated it into my game's lore of the Dawn War (from 4e if you are not familiar). I guess I must be ridiculous!

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I don't really feel press releases and other marketing materials are acceptable equivalents for words in the book.

Patience might be the key here. We have not seen the lore for most of 5.24.

We will get some in the MM and probably more in setting books.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I hope its in the book then. Everything else is too ephemeral for me.

Ok. So why are you jumping to conclusions now?
You only read some posts. Aren't they ephemeral too?

 

[UngeheuerLich]

All of the legacy settings (ie from pre 5E) should have their own lore and changes on types that suit them more than vanilla 5E. Of course, that doesn't go with the Crawford maxim or this ridiculous First World concept...

I read your words but I can't make sense out of them...
ah that First World. I thought you were speaking of First World Problems...

 

[Micah Sweet]

Ok. So why are you jumping to conclusions now?
You only read some posts. Aren't they ephemeral too?

All posts (certainly including my own) are ephemeral.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

All of the legacy settings (ie from pre 5E) should have their own lore and changes on types that suit them more than vanilla 5E. Of course, that doesn't go with the Crawford maxim or this ridiculous First World concept...

All settings do have their own lore, history, and changes to creatures if they differ from the base. The First World exists as a Doylist explanation for why most D&D settings have so many creatures in common (they’re an echo from a shattered first world) while allowing for different versions of those creatures to exist (they have their own histories and lore in each setting). It is also highly mythologized and easily alterable/ignorable if you don’t like it.

 

[QuentinGeorge]

I got to say I love the First World concept and I have incorporated into my games lore of the Dawn War (from 4e if you are not familiar). I guess I must be ridiculous!

No, the conceit about shoe-horning a joint cosmic origin for things that were never intended that way is ridiculous.

 

[Azzy]

No, the conceit about shoe-horning a joint cosmic origin for things that were never intended that way is ridiculous.

To be fair, the D&D cosmology and many of its settings are ridiculous, too.

 

[JEB]

They had a perfect valid explanation. Not being born in the Astral Plane and instead living your whole life in the material plane changes you.

Is that the 2024 explanation for aberration NPC gith and humanoid PC gith? That the latter are a variant that was raised in the Material Plane instead of the Astral?

 

[dave2008]

No, the conceit about shoe-horning a joint cosmic origin for things that were never intended that way is ridiculous.

To me it is no more or less ridiculous than just about any aspect of the great wheel, planescape, and spelljammer (much less ridiculous and shoe-horned than spelljammer IMO). It also doesn't feel shoe-horned to me. To me if seems very obvious and natural, like: this clearly makes sense and explains so much!

It being ridiculous or out of place is only a mater of opinion and perspective, not fact. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but it is an opinion.

PS - what is the "Crawford maxim?"