Hyboria - More of the same?

Yokiboy said:
Dang S'mon, you make me wanna play Conan the RPG even more than before, and wonder why the heck I'm posting on EnWorld instead of actually reading the book?! :p
I agree, and my homebrew setting owes a lot of it's style and tone to Robert E. Howard, among others.

In fact, I'd describe my setting as John Carter of Mars, Conan the Cimmerian, The X-Files and Pirates of the Caribbean all put in the blender. The original Conan stories are what fantasy is all about to me.
 

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Iron_Chef said:
No, Nemedia = Germany (geographically, although there is little else by way of comparison).
See, that's the point, though -- the comparisons only go so far. The Hyperborians, for example, what "modern" population group are they supposed to represent? Finns? There are some fairly good correllations -- Stygia to Egypt, for example, or Aquilonia to Rome, but there certainly are no direct correllations, and there are plenty of places still that are completely mysterious.
 

kenjib said:
Speaking of Mordiggian, I really love the story The Charnel God. What a great city to borrow for your own world...

As it happens, the CoC campaign "The Realm of Shadows" by Pagan Publishing (those guys responsible for "Delta Green") centers around Mordiggian and his cult...
 

Joshua Dyal said:
The Hyperborians, for example, what "modern" population group are they supposed to represent? Finns?

Yes, Hyperborea = Finland. Everyone in Scandinavia knows the Finns are evil. :D J/K
 
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Joshua Dyal said:
But as someone mentioned above, Howard wasn't really an academic, so he can I guess, be forgiven this logical faux pas easily enough.

It's a fantasy world, and I think the idea is kind of cool (with the exception of some other implications of this theory and the context of it's time that are maybe too politically charged for this board). As long as a fantasy world has its own rules and is somewhat consistent within them, I think breaking science is a huge part of what fantasy is all about. Think about it in terms of a WotC setting search-like statement:

"In Hyboria, grim heroes and villains trade in the raw currency of brutal power, unbridled to those who can pull the dark currents moving below the false veneer of civilization, under the watch of terrifying, uncaring, alien, gods. Hyboria is a land of exotic people during the time between two golden ages, great Atlantis and the rise of the Sons of Aryas. It is a world were power can be carved with the might of a sword or stolen through the cunning manipulations of magic, a world were the fates and actions of men can shape their own destiny: From uplifting into the halls of kings to the degeneration of men into an apelike subhumanism that is a perverted mockery of humanity."

The world is based on literary themes, not science. De-evolution into subhumanism reinforces the ethos of the book that we are what we make of ourselves in life. Those with drive, determination, and vitality, have the power to re-make the world in their image through sheer force of will and raw power. Those who do not take command of their lives run the risk of becoming no longer human through neglect of the human spirit. This is a really great literary theme, and Conan is an example of a man who can drag himself from the taint of apehood into the very pinnacle of humanity through will and force. However, here is where the cynical irony appears when Conan comments that the trappings of civilization are perhaps not as civilized as they appear...

"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." -R.E. Howard The Tower of the Elephant

The stories grapple these issues and themes with some nice nuance and complexity. I like the apeman angle as a foil to Conan's success. What happens to those who take the other path? Are we, in the end, all just apes playing dress-up? Are we not men? We are DEVO!
 
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Joshua Dyal said:
Even if this theory about the origin of chimps pans out and garners any more support, it's nothing like men turning back into man-apes, and then back to men again.
Did REH indicate a physical change? I always thought the remark was to mean that they went primitive for a time and were once again climbing the cultural ladder.
 

Bendris Noulg said:
Did REH indicate a physical change? I always thought the remark was to mean that they went primitive for a time and were once again climbing the cultural ladder.
According to his essay in The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian that's certainly what it seemed like to me. I don't have any problem with the fact that it's not scientifically valid; I'm kinda a skeptic in terms of science anyway (if there's anything the history of science teaches us, it's not to cling too tightly to our pet theories, as one unexpected data point can throw the whole thing for a loop.) Rather, it's just kinda weird in terms of fantasy or reality.
 

kenjib said:
Are we, in the end, all just apes playing dress-up? Are we not men? We are DEVO!
Rock on!
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Or consider that man didn't genetically change to ape-men, but merely culturally. Basically, man loses all civilization and goes native. Then they redevelop culture and society. That is my hypothesis on what REH meant by regressing to ape-men.

I too just started reading the "Coming of Conan" REH collection. Very good stuff.

Janx
 


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