I can be silent no more.

yeah, that's pretty much my handicap with veganism as well. :)

not to mention, having to give up milk, cheese, butter... man, depriving yourself like that just isn't natural. :)

we have a vegan in our gaming group, and we order pizza just about every week. he says it's like torture, because he loves cheese, but hasn't eaten any in like a decade.

not for me, man, no thanks. :)
 

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I tried eating Vegan once. But he screamed and ran away when he saw the knife.

Seriously though, While I myself am not exactly skinny (290lbs, 6'2") I agree that most people who classify as morbidly obese are like that solely due to their own lifestyle choices. The fact that society tacitly accepts and in some ways actively promotes these choices makes it that much more difficult to convince those that are morbidly obese that it is their own choices that made them that way. Instead of accepting personal responsibility, it is jsut easier to blame others.

As for me, I know that I am fat, but I am also very active. I could easily stand to lose 50 lbs and I know I would be better off for it. But it is a difficult struggle and one that I am not winning... although I am not exactly losing either. I have been at my current weight now for 3 years with not a pound gained or lost in that time.
 


Jasper is funny.

I am quite skinny though, I'm 5'11" and about 60-65 kilos (last time I weighed my self I was 63kg), thats just under 10 stone (140 pounds). And I do eat quite a bit. I regularily snack on things from the fridge, but this is like ham and stuff not sweets. I've not got a very sweet chocolatey tooth, and I've not eaten a packet of crisps for a while now. If I do have sweet stuff its from coffee, but I rarely drink that.

My Girlfriend on the other hand loves sweets and choclates, and I don't think shes learned to have them as treats. She is currently overweight (about my weight but a foot shorter), but she looks nice like that. I do realise she is unhealthy, but I'm not sure what to do. Oh and she has pretty bad asthma which doesn't help. :\
 

I once heard of a study where they took a bunch of people and gave them soup to eat. Half of the people had a normal bowl of soup, but the other half had special bowls that would slowly refill themselves through a tube connected to the bottom of the bowl. The people with the normal bowls of soup stopped when the soup was gone. The people with the neverending bowl just didn't stop. They stuffed themselves.

That's one of the things about an American diet, is that we're so used to eating much larger than normal potion sizes that we've long forgotten how to tell when we're full. I remember complaining once when I was younger that my Dad (who is not a land whale, but is larger than he should be) would eat all of the good leftovers before anyone else got to them, rather than splitting them evenly with the rest of the family. He responded that he was bigger, so he needed more food than we did. My comment (honestly, I forgot if this was something I actually said to him, or if I just thought is) was that he had that the other way around. He ate more food, THEREFORE he was bigger.

My sister spent three months in Europe living with relatives in Germany a little while ago, and she said she was worried when she saw the portion sizes they used when cooking at home and in restaurants. She thought there was no way she'd get full on that, but the thing was that she did get full, she was just so used to American portion sizes that the more healthy Euopean ones looked tiny. Did you know that the average muffin sold in a bakery or donut shop is FOUR TIMES the size of a "normal" one-serving muffin?

Our culture is obese, not just the individual people in it, especially in the south, and a lot of it is simply portion sizes. We're used to thinking that more food is good. Lately I've been trying to cut down my own weight (slightly more than healthy) by watching my portion sizes. I asked my BF (who does the cooking) not to fill my plate for me, but to let me get my own portions. I've been putting on half or less of what I feel like I'd eat, telling myself that if I want more food later then I can get seconds. I eat slowly, and I find myself still finishing my "firsts" when my BF gets up and starts to put the food away, and I'm usually fine with that. I didn't need seconds, but if that amount of food had been on my plate I would've eaten it all.

It's a very human thing to do, cleaning one's plate. The trick is to make sure that there's not much on your plate in the first place. You'd be surprised how little you can eat to stop feeling hungry.
 



Vraille Darkfang said:
On the Aggregate however, the widening girth of the average American ain't due to medical conditions; its due to bad diets & sedentary lifestyles.

It is also perhaps important to remember that frequently, that "sedentary" doesn't mean "not busy". Breaking out of that sedentary lifestyle sometimes means giving up other very important things...

Imagine a fairly typical guy - he's up at 7 AM, out the door by 8 AM. At work all day, back home by 6 PM (he's lucky, and is actually at work only 8 hours a day). He now has only five hours to live his life. All the cooking, all the housework, any personal/family business, helping the kids with homework, actually spending time with his family, any entertainment. Five hours is not a lot of time.

If he's going to squeak in an hour for exercise, something has to give. Maybe he goes to bed an hour later - but then he's only getting 7 hours a night, which is generally not healthy. Or maybe the laundry doesn't get done, and so on....
 

I once heard of a study where they took a bunch of people and gave them soup to eat. Half of the people had a normal bowl of soup, but the other half had special bowls that would slowly refill themselves through a tube connected to the bottom of the bowl. The people with the normal bowls of soup stopped when the soup was gone. The people with the neverending bowl just didn't stop. They stuffed themselves.

They actually showed video of that and a few other similar studies on one of the national news shows (like 60 minutes or 20/20). It was simply scary...even though I'd seen that kind of behavior up close and personal.
 

American culture IS geared toward obesity. You an buy poison from a fast-food shop almost anywhere. Hey! They even have a drive through so you don't have to walk ten feet.

It's poor choices and eating habits that heavily contribute to the problem. You do not have to even remotley starve yourself if you choose the right foods to intake. It just takes some research and effort, especially since our society loves to pre-package conveneneint processed foods loaded with preservatives, and strange foreign-sounding chemicals.
 

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