I cheated last game session
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Agent Oracle
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Seriously Elf_Witch, if you're ever up in Baltimore / DC area, I've got a good little group going. I've been told that I'm a good game master, and i always ask my players for any input as to how i can improve at the end of every session. The only way to improve is to learn.
But you telling the DM what you did is the best way, and i hope you don't link him over to this thread, that's how I got into a lot of trouble with a previous DM.
Incedentally, my third-level party fought off a tank... though that was a setpiece battle and they exploited the steam tank's weak spots with a few grenades and some well-thrown alchemist's fire down the hatch. Swashbuckling cards helped a lot...
But you telling the DM what you did is the best way, and i hope you don't link him over to this thread, that's how I got into a lot of trouble with a previous DM.
Incedentally, my third-level party fought off a tank... though that was a setpiece battle and they exploited the steam tank's weak spots with a few grenades and some well-thrown alchemist's fire down the hatch. Swashbuckling cards helped a lot...
SpiralBound
Explorer
It sounds to me like your act of cheating is really a symptom not a problem, it's a reaction to the heavy-handed style of play that your GM is inflicting on the players. It also sounds like you need to have a chat with the GM, outside of game time. If he is as close of a friend as you say, then talk to him openly about this. Explain (not complain) what motivated you to do this. Mention that other characters have even meant more to you, but haven't prompted this sort of response from you. I think that the reason that you cheated and why you feel so guilty isn't solely due to the cheating itself, but the gameplay conditions which you feel "forced your hand" in retaliation for what you consider to be unfair GMing. It is this sense on being under attack from your GM that is the true problem, not the single act of fudging your HP. If you don't resolve this root cause, then you'll likely just quit playing as the "GM cheating" continues and likely escallates...
Sejs
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pawsplay said:
Crouching Ratshark, Hidden Jedi.
To further the paralel, they're all reasonably green runners and the mage that was heading the sec team just happened to be a Grade 5 initiate with a Threat and Professional rating around 6/4. And crazy-ass spec ops training.Henry said:Long story short, sounds like Elf Witch's group fought a Shadowrun mage -- in D&D.
TheAuldGrump
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Sejs said:Good point - just remember, after you kill the DM be sure to take his stuff. *nod*
Dude, that should have been the first piece of advice that Elf Witch recieved.
It reads to me as though the DM was brought up on the Storytelling School of RPGs, where what the DM wants is what happens, regardless of the PCs actions.
Yes, Elf Witch cheated, but the DM is in a class all by himself. (Hopefully standing in the corner with his nose to the wall.)
Unless the entire group is willing to talk to the DM about this it will not get any better. The DM most likely feels that he knows what he is doing. The fact that he is wrong will have no bearing.
Since it sounds like the group is all friends it might be possible to deal with the problem, but I have my doubts.
The Auld Grump, in a pessemistic mood....
I thought I would give an update on what is going on. First of all he deciced to let the thing with my character just slide and say that I didn't die. Which was good but I could tell that he was upset and hurt over it.
Things are not great in the group. I am starting to realize that no matter how much I like my DM has a friend I don't think I can play in a game where the rules are changed so much in favor of the NPCs. And where I feel like I don't really have any control over my PCs actions.
Our long running Shadowrun game came close to self destructing today.
One of our PCs went off radio and was out of contact so our team leader sent me out to look around the neighborhood for him since the the missing guy was on foot and a troll. So I took out my motorcycle out. Now our PCs just relocated to England so the DM had me roll a bike skill ride and perception.
He had me riding on the rong side of the road and I caused an accident by running a member of Parliment off the road and wrecking his classic jag.
I was a little annoyed because I felt railroaded come on I ended up running about seven cars off the road you would have thought with my above intellegence and that fact that I have the perceptive edge I would have figured it out sooner.
He told me people are honking at you but you keep on doing it. I had no choice he did not ask what do you do when people are swerving out of your way and honking at you. He told me I just keep going because I think they stupid and in the wrong.
He also had me driving 90 miles an hour in a 30 mile an hour speed limit. He never asked how fast I was driving I would have assumed if you are looking for someone you would be driving slow. Again he did not ask me he told me. I really didn't find this out until I got to the police station.
I got hauled off to the jail. Now my character has a record and has the claustophia flaw from being locked up in a small cell for five years. It is part of my backstory. I have always said I would die before ever being locked up again. So I am on the radio to my team leader freaking out telling him that I would kill the cop and use my 6 elementals to take out the yellow jacket that was hovering overhead. He talked me down and he handled the situation so I was let go.
I was role playing my character saying what she would say. I would not have really done it because that would have got the entire team killed but it made for some intresting drama.
I was a good sport about the entire thing I didn't argue with him about it I just accepted the situation and role played it out.
But here is where things went bad we have two new team members who have never been on a run before with us. The team leader, myself and the Shaman have been together for five years and have been through hell together.
Because of this incident the new members don't trust my character and wanted me left out of any meetings with the Johnson. I was aslo chewed out my a new team member (who by the way was the one who went off radio and who I was out looking for ) because I was driving like a maniac. And by behavior put the team at risk yada yada yada. And if I killed the team then he didn't know if he wanted to play anymore and it was my fault because it could not possibly be the DM who is his best friend and former roommate a freindship that spans 25 years.
I got angry in real life over this. My character is not stupid and I resent the DM putting me in this postion. I told him so. He got defensive over my critism and yelled at me about if I was having such an issue with the thing why didn't I speak up before.
It was a very uncomfetable tense situation for ever one at the table.
On the way home I realized that I am sick of all of this The DM is a to much of a control freak he really takes to many choices away from the players.
He needed me to get arrested because he is using it as a way to introduce something in the plot. So one of was getting arrested bo matter what we did. I am really feeling that he does not need us he should just roll up characters and play all the parts himself.
At this point I am not sure I am going back to either game.
Things are not great in the group. I am starting to realize that no matter how much I like my DM has a friend I don't think I can play in a game where the rules are changed so much in favor of the NPCs. And where I feel like I don't really have any control over my PCs actions.
Our long running Shadowrun game came close to self destructing today.
One of our PCs went off radio and was out of contact so our team leader sent me out to look around the neighborhood for him since the the missing guy was on foot and a troll. So I took out my motorcycle out. Now our PCs just relocated to England so the DM had me roll a bike skill ride and perception.
He had me riding on the rong side of the road and I caused an accident by running a member of Parliment off the road and wrecking his classic jag.
I was a little annoyed because I felt railroaded come on I ended up running about seven cars off the road you would have thought with my above intellegence and that fact that I have the perceptive edge I would have figured it out sooner.
He told me people are honking at you but you keep on doing it. I had no choice he did not ask what do you do when people are swerving out of your way and honking at you. He told me I just keep going because I think they stupid and in the wrong.
He also had me driving 90 miles an hour in a 30 mile an hour speed limit. He never asked how fast I was driving I would have assumed if you are looking for someone you would be driving slow. Again he did not ask me he told me. I really didn't find this out until I got to the police station.
I got hauled off to the jail. Now my character has a record and has the claustophia flaw from being locked up in a small cell for five years. It is part of my backstory. I have always said I would die before ever being locked up again. So I am on the radio to my team leader freaking out telling him that I would kill the cop and use my 6 elementals to take out the yellow jacket that was hovering overhead. He talked me down and he handled the situation so I was let go.
I was role playing my character saying what she would say. I would not have really done it because that would have got the entire team killed but it made for some intresting drama.
I was a good sport about the entire thing I didn't argue with him about it I just accepted the situation and role played it out.
But here is where things went bad we have two new team members who have never been on a run before with us. The team leader, myself and the Shaman have been together for five years and have been through hell together.
Because of this incident the new members don't trust my character and wanted me left out of any meetings with the Johnson. I was aslo chewed out my a new team member (who by the way was the one who went off radio and who I was out looking for ) because I was driving like a maniac. And by behavior put the team at risk yada yada yada. And if I killed the team then he didn't know if he wanted to play anymore and it was my fault because it could not possibly be the DM who is his best friend and former roommate a freindship that spans 25 years.
I got angry in real life over this. My character is not stupid and I resent the DM putting me in this postion. I told him so. He got defensive over my critism and yelled at me about if I was having such an issue with the thing why didn't I speak up before.
It was a very uncomfetable tense situation for ever one at the table.
On the way home I realized that I am sick of all of this The DM is a to much of a control freak he really takes to many choices away from the players.
He needed me to get arrested because he is using it as a way to introduce something in the plot. So one of was getting arrested bo matter what we did. I am really feeling that he does not need us he should just roll up characters and play all the parts himself.
At this point I am not sure I am going back to either game.
rgard
Adventurer
Elf Witch said:I thought I would give an update on what is going on. First of all he deciced to let the thing with my character just slide and say that I didn't die. Which was good but I could tell that he was upset and hurt over it.
Things are not great in the group. I am starting to realize that no matter how much I like my DM has a friend I don't think I can play in a game where the rules are changed so much in favor of the NPCs. And where I feel like I don't really have any control over my PCs actions.
Our long running Shadowrun game came close to self destructing today.
One of our PCs went off radio and was out of contact so our team leader sent me out to look around the neighborhood for him since the the missing guy was on foot and a troll. So I took out my motorcycle out. Now our PCs just relocated to England so the DM had me roll a bike skill ride and perception.
He had me riding on the rong side of the road and I caused an accident by running a member of Parliment off the road and wrecking his classic jag.
I was a little annoyed because I felt railroaded come on I ended up running about seven cars off the road you would have thought with my above intellegence and that fact that I have the perceptive edge I would have figured it out sooner.
He told me people are honking at you but you keep on doing it. I had no choice he did not ask what do you do when people are swerving out of your way and honking at you. He told me I just keep going because I think they stupid and in the wrong.
He also had me driving 90 miles an hour in a 30 mile an hour speed limit. He never asked how fast I was driving I would have assumed if you are looking for someone you would be driving slow. Again he did not ask me he told me. I really didn't find this out until I got to the police station.
I got hauled off to the jail. Now my character has a record and has the claustophia flaw from being locked up in a small cell for five years. It is part of my backstory. I have always said I would die before ever being locked up again. So I am on the radio to my team leader freaking out telling him that I would kill the cop and use my 6 elementals to take out the yellow jacket that was hovering overhead. He talked me down and he handled the situation so I was let go.
I was role playing my character saying what she would say. I would not have really done it because that would have got the entire team killed but it made for some intresting drama.
I was a good sport about the entire thing I didn't argue with him about it I just accepted the situation and role played it out.
But here is where things went bad we have two new team members who have never been on a run before with us. The team leader, myself and the Shaman have been together for five years and have been through hell together.
Because of this incident the new members don't trust my character and wanted me left out of any meetings with the Johnson. I was aslo chewed out my a new team member (who by the way was the one who went off radio and who I was out looking for ) because I was driving like a maniac. And by behavior put the team at risk yada yada yada. And if I killed the team then he didn't know if he wanted to play anymore and it was my fault because it could not possibly be the DM who is his best friend and former roommate a freindship that spans 25 years.
I got angry in real life over this. My character is not stupid and I resent the DM putting me in this postion. I told him so. He got defensive over my critism and yelled at me about if I was having such an issue with the thing why didn't I speak up before.
It was a very uncomfetable tense situation for ever one at the table.
On the way home I realized that I am sick of all of this The DM is a to much of a control freak he really takes to many choices away from the players.
He needed me to get arrested because he is using it as a way to introduce something in the plot. So one of was getting arrested bo matter what we did. I am really feeling that he does not need us he should just roll up characters and play all the parts himself.
At this point I am not sure I am going back to either game.
Hi Elf Witch,
Thanks for the updates. This has been an interesting read.
Anyway, maybe just take a break from both games? These folks are your friends, so I'm not suggesting you stay away from them, just stay away from the game table.
If you are inclined try to find a different group to game with for a change and see if it is any better...I'm betting it would be better, but you never know.
BTW, I once drove 2 blocks on the wrong side of the road in the UK (Cardiff). There was no oncoming traffic and what alerted me to my mistake is some folks on the sidewalk stopped and stared as I drove by. So from real life experience, I would say your character would have figured out what was wrong more quickly than the DM allowed.
Thanks,
Rich
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