I got to playtest Castles and Crusades!

[johnsemlak]

I'm surprised they went back to the six saving throws. I thought that was something they were going to keep. Perhaps the rolls themselves are more along 3e lines (d20 plus save bonus plus ability modifier against a DC)?

Are skill checks and most other rolls still using hte core d20 mechanic?

 

[MerricB]

I'm surprised they went back to the six saving throws.

I'm surprised as well. More than surprised - aren't there only 5 saving throws in AD&D?

Cheers!

 

[Wycen]

Well, this has me worried. Maybe I should join C&C to find out more. The 6 saving throws means conversion of adventures for 3E isn't going to be as fluid as they could be.

 

[johnsemlak]

I'm surprised as well. More than surprised - aren't there only 5 saving throws in AD&D?

Cheers!

Good point

I think C&C saves might remain fairly 3e compatible if they use the core d20 mechanic for rolling as I mentioned above. You could just use the DCs for the appropriate save role in 3e. If they go completely to the old system it will be more difficult to convert.

 

[Piratecat]

That saving throw change seems like a poor design decision. The simple three saves in 3e is one of my favorite changes. So elegant, so obvious; I think that reverting to five is a real mistake in an otherwise interesting product.

 

[Arani Korden]

That saving throw change seems like a poor design decision. The simple three saves in 3e is one of my favorite changes. So elegant, so obvious; I think that reverting to five is a real mistake in an otherwise interesting product.

It's a definite turn-off for me, as is the modification to attribute bonuses. I'm interested in a more rules-light d20, but I still want a degree of compatibility with my other d20 stuff.

 

[MerricB]

It's a definite turn-off for me, as is the modification to attribute bonuses. I'm interested in a more rules-light d20, but I still want a degree of compatibility with my other d20 stuff.

I don't think you should be looking for much compatibility between C&C and d20. From what I can gather, C&C appears to be built on the AD&D paradigm of advancement, which is different from 3E's advancement curve.

Consider that in AD&D, an Ogre has 4d8+1 hit points, while in 3.5E an ogre has 4d8+11 hit points.

This disparity only grows as characters advance in level.

Cheers!

 

[Arani Korden]

I don't think you should be looking for much compatibility between C&C and d20.

I'm sure you're right, which is why I doubt I'll be buying C&C.

 

[Frostmarrow]

That saving throw change seems like a poor design decision. The simple three saves in 3e is one of my favorite changes. So elegant, so obvious; I think that reverting to five is a real mistake in an otherwise interesting product.

Who knows? Perhaps they needed some diversity somewhere, after they'd gotten rid of the skills. I agree that it looks weird by description, but I'm not ready to give up hope on them just yet.

 

[Frostmarrow]

I wonder if the saving throws looks something like this:

Strength: Petrification or Polymorph
Intelligence: Rod, Staves, or Wands
Wisdom: Spell
Dexterity: Breath Weapon
Constitution: Paralyzation, Poison, or Death Magic
Charisma: Fear

That is one save for each ability score?