I have a 22 Constitution.

[Planesdragon]

According to the drinking rules I myself helped write for Tournaments, Fairs, & Taverns, each shot of vodka contained 12 alcohol units. You can drink up to your Constitution x5 before you're so drunk you can't talk. I could still talk and walk rather well, so I must've drunk less than that.

Darnit RW, now you've gone and convinced me not to buy that book!


(How much alcohol is an AU? One ounce? Not even? Hmm.... 80 proof Vodka with 6 oz shot = 2.4 oz of alcohol... 12 AU... 0.2 oz? Man, that's not a lot at all... maybe as much as in a sip of beer... (really weak, 5 proof beer with a measly 1 oz. sip...)

 

[Ravellion]

For every funny story about over doing the alcohol thing, there is a story where the outcome was not so funny.

I know that if that were true, Europeans would be nearly extinct.

Would any of the stories above still be funny if you added this single sentence to the end of the story?

"Then he go into his vehicle and had an accident on the way home ..."

Frankly, I am insulted that you would even consider anyone to drink and drive. No bartender, friend, spouse, or even casual acquaintance would let anyone I know drive while under the influence.

Perhaps it is different on that side of the pond, but drink driving is just a few steps down from having sex with your baby sister where I am from. If you drink and drive and kill some one, you most likely will get the equivalent of what you would call "murder one" over here.

Rav

(yes, I am seriously offended by the implications made - especially since my story wasn't all sunshine and roses)

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

And one could well make a case about how D&D has screwed up some people.

How would every D&D post sound if it ended with "He was so upset that his character died, that he went home and killed himself. "?

...while I agree that BlackMoria was being a bit harsh, this is just plain insulting. My father drank and did drugs for a very long time, ruining a wonderful childhood I COULD have had. My step father is constantly in horrible moods and screams and cusses at everyone because he drinks so much...and when he tries to STOP, it gets even worse. My mother is going to be dead within the next year. She's only 43. I'm only 17. There is a HUGE difference in how alcohol can screw up lives and how D&D can "screw up lives".

 

[buzzard]

...while I agree that BlackMoria was being a bit harsh, this is just plain insulting. My father drank and did drugs for a very long time, ruining a wonderful childhood I COULD have had. My step father is constantly in horrible moods and screams and cusses at everyone because he drinks so much...and when he tries to STOP, it gets even worse. My mother is going to be dead within the next year. She's only 43. I'm only 17. There is a HUGE difference in how alcohol can screw up lives and how D&D can "screw up lives".

Have people who have played D&D killed themselves over it?
Yes.

Thus my argument is valid. Or rather equally valid to the argument against "demon rum".

Yes, alcohol can screw up lives. It can also not screw up lives. The majority of the population drinks. A small minority is alcoholic. Just because your sample is biased against it does not imply that alcohol being harmful is the rule.

buzzard

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Have people who have played D&D killed themselves over it?
Yes.

Thus my argument is valid. Or rather equally valid to the argument against "demon rum".

Yes, alcohol can screw up lives. It can also not screw up lives. The majority of the population drinks. A small minority is alcoholic. Just because your sample is biased against it does not imply that alcohol being harmful is the rule.

buzzard

Your argument isn't valid at all. D&D does not effect your PHYSICALLY. Its a mental thing if people kill themselves over it. The high number of problems I've seen with alcohol are physical. But you know what? I can still sit back and find stories like these funny. Its dark humor, but not a single person has seemed overly positive about thier stories.

My point was simply that you are sending out a very strong insult to people who have seen things like I have, even if you don't realize it. Oh and just a little note...all my parents had problems, but not a ONE was an alcoholic. Sometimes I think I'm too young for my worries.

 

[buzzard]

Your argument isn't valid at all. D&D does not effect your PHYSICALLY. Its a mental thing if people kill themselves over it. The high number of problems I've seen with alcohol are physical.

That does not have any effect on my argument, unless the implication that negative effects can only be physiologically based is accepted as fundamental.

Your arguments are skewed by your sample size. It would appear that a huge percentage of the people you know who have had an interaction with alcohol have had it be negative in effect. Thus it is quite understandable that you would find alcohol to be a pretty plainly bad thing. However others have not had this experience, and the numbers(on the overall population) would not bear out the extremely bad properties that you attribute to alcohol.

I suspect someone who's son flipped out and killed himself would have a simillar views of D&D. Would it be equally valid?

My point was simply that you are sending out a very strong insult to people who have seen things like I have, even if you don't realize it. Oh and just a little note...all my parents had problems, but not a ONE was an alcoholic. Sometimes I think I'm too young for my worries.

If you take my comments as an insult, well then I'm sorry. However it is not one, it is merely a statement of facts. Painkillers on balance are a good thing (if you have not had a wisdom tooth out yet, just wait, you will agree). However many people abuse them, and I know people who have caused themselves trouble by their abuse. Does this mean I have a beef against them because a friend got in trouble because of them? No. I accept that many things in this world can be misused, and cast no blame on an inanimate object.

buzzard

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Its funny...we're both arguing the same side from different viewpoints. I do completely agree that the fault is on the person and not the object...I was simply pointing out how I felt earlier. As I said, I do think BlackMoria was being a bit harsh.

Now...how about we just let this 'argument' die and let people get back on topic? I liked the topic already.

 

[Ravellion]

Oh, my stats I displayed earlier are wrong. Blasted newspaper lied to me (or used a different test). Anyway, 73 is not young average life expectancy at all IIRC for a developed country.

*Summoning Hong*

 

[Morrus]

Re: Re: I have a 22 Constitution.

Darnit RW, now you've gone and convinced me not to buy that book!


(How much alcohol is an AU? One ounce? Not even? Hmm.... 80 proof Vodka with 6 oz shot = 2.4 oz of alcohol... 12 AU... 0.2 oz? Man, that's not a lot at all... maybe as much as in a sip of beer... (really weak, 5 proof beer with a measly 1 oz. sip...)

Don't worry about it - the book specifically states that a d20 "shot" is not a real world shot and is merely a convenient term. Ryan's mathematics are all wrong becase he assumes that the shots he drank are the same as a shot in TF&T, when they're explicitly not.

 

[Planesdragon]

Re: Re: Re: I have a 22 Constitution.

Don't worry about it - the book specifically states that a d20 "shot" is not a real world shot and is merely a convenient term. Ryan's mathematics are all wrong becase he assumes that the shots he drank are the same as a shot in TF&T, when they're explicitly not.

Ah. Hmm....

Back on the "maybe buy to look for rules" list, then.