D&D General I have decided on the ultimate dnd heresy

GreyLord

Legend
I honestly do not care about dragons.
fizban's was cool and all but I never have nor will ever care about dragons.
giants suck and need to be way cooler but this is not about them.
I will raise up a new idol in their place.

And here I thought you were going to say that you hated combat in RPGs or something. That combat needs to die a fast quick death and all RPGs (including D&D) from here on out needed to rely on talking and how fast one could tie a ribbon on top of a puppy's head, or if a bigger challenge is needed, on a cats head.
 

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DND_Reborn

Legend
I honestly do not care about dragons.
fizban's was cool and all but I never have nor will ever care about dragons.
giants suck and need to be way cooler but this is not about them.
I will raise up a new idol in their place.
You are a bit late, IMO.

Dungeons have already gone by the wayside--- dragons was inevitable. 🤷‍♂️ ;)
 





Dragons can be so many different things. If you don't like the 'main stream' dragon, you can change them in ways that make them unique and interesting to your lore and campaign. They did it in Athas, they're redoing it in Fizban's with that expanded lore, and many of us have done it for years.

In my campaign they were the first beings created by the Gods. They have a place as the race most touched by the Divine.

All of them cast spells - and all of them get to apply metamagic to their spells. It is just part of their nature to use magics.

There are those amongst them that take on class levels as well, allowing them to become archmages, grand masters, high priests and archdruids. (In the past, all of my dragons were wizards, but as the editions changed I instead went with the various incarnations of innate spellcasters and had only a small number be classed).

They define kingdoms in much of my world, and are often major forces in politics. Many kingdoms have a border that is defined by the reach under the protection (or control) of a dragon. Many of my great cities (but certainly not all) are built on the lair of a dragon. The greatest 'Kingpin' in my setting is an Ancient Red. They are features of the political landscape.

They also have ties to the Elemental Plane (I have only one) and can link their lairs to them - which made lair abilities very convenient in my lore.

When new players first join my campaign world they often miss the subtle hints that dragons are a bit different - both in ability and in their place in the lore of the world) - but around 7th or 8th level they start to figure it out.
You can do absolutely all of that with virtually any creature type.
 


jgsugden

Legend
You can do absolutely all of that with virtually any creature type.
True. You can reskin PCs into intelloigent mice and reskin all monsters into small animals, too. You can do anything.

However, D&D is D&D ... and there are certain expectations common amongst players. When they finally face and kill a dragon, it is usually one of the iconic events in a campaign. It kind of robs the PCs if you entirely remove them ... but modifying them to make them more distinct and unique can enhance that iconic moment. YMMV.
 

True. You can reskin PCs into intelloigent mice and reskin all monsters into small animals, too. You can do anything.

However, D&D is D&D ... and there are certain expectations common amongst players. When they finally face and kill a dragon, it is usually one of the iconic events in a campaign. It kind of robs the PCs if you entirely remove them ... but modifying them to make them more distinct and unique can enhance that iconic moment. YMMV.
Maybe some players. I've never been in a game with players who assumed dragons without already knowing about them ahead of time.
 

jasper

Rotten DM
I honestly do not care about dragons.
fizban's was cool and all but I never have nor will ever care about dragons.
giants suck and need to be way cooler but this is not about them.
I will raise up a new idol in their place.
Looks at Mind with 1E eyes. Welcome to bonfire,weiner roast, . Those new safety matches are hard to light. What is the new idol?
 


MGibster

Legend
I tried to use a dragon in my first 5th edition campaign against the characters, and they mopped the floor with him. It's not that I had a problem with the PCs winning, it's that it wasn't a challenge at all, and I'm pretty sure I was using an ancient dragon. It kind of soured me on running 5th edition for a while as I tried to come to grips with the broken Challenge Ratings for creatures. In the meanwhile, I've painted two dragons and I have yet to use them for gaming purposes. I think I'm just going to have run a D&D campaign one of these days and make the dragon the main baddie.



Green Dragon.JPG


Red_Dragon_1.JPG
 



MarkB

Legend
My only actual experience of Xvarts is "I've still got two more map areas to traverse in order to get to the gnoll fortress, and if I rest one more time Minsc is going to get enraged and leave me forever. Could I please just go, like, ten paces without running into another swarm of these little bastards?"

Outside of Baldur's Gate 1, I don't think I've ever seen them in-game.
 



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