I m a girl get over it

MojoGM said:
*raises hand* Yup, the bf would be me. I'm still here, still reading all the threads but rarely posting (and rarely remembering to log in even).

Djeta Thernadier said:
I'm here. ::waves::

See, i knew they would be somewhere around here! Nice seeing you back, hope the dwarves in your pc get the goblins and free your connection for EnWorld. ;)

Vraille Darkfang said:
I KNOW I've been wondering what Crothian & Piratecat would look like in a nice Brazilian cut G-String.

Don't. i am a Brazilian and I can say you would really have much betetr thigns to think about...

Djeta Thernadier said:
I once had someone say to me "You play Dungeons and Dragons? Oh my god you look so normal". :confused:

I hear that a lot myself and I am male, just that i am not the nerdy looking guy and rpgs are usually seen as their domain. In addition I do think maturity and looks are somewhat tied to how people react to women in rpgs, yes, but I do think that male tend to change their attitude with woman in the table, most man I know chage just by seeing one.
 

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Nifelhein said:
Don't. i am a Brazilian and I can say you would really have much betetr thigns to think about...

Did you mean to say THINGS? or THIGHS? (Those servers can get pretty heavy, and if Piratecat's been lifting with his legs like your supposed too......)

Am I the only one starting to feel bad they've never heard "Oh, you're a gamer, but you look so normal!"

Later,
 

Me and Scratched_back have a saying about "smelling our own" *nothing to do with games smelling*. After years of working in a role play shop were you do nothing all day long apart from the odd bit of putting stock out and chat to other games about anything and everything, we felt we had gained a almost second sight into spotting games. I think everyone has done it at some point, you have looked and judge on appearance alone...those who say they haven't ain't being truthful now are they?
Hell nearly everyone here plays d&d (well apart from sj who i know smells and no one really want to let play j/k) and that is a game were everything is judge on stereotypes, ever spell you fire, ever monster you run in and slay is based not on what you have learn from a lovely friendly chat...

Pc:"hows the spawn of evil you give birth to hag?"

Evil wart filled hag: "Oh only today its started its first plot to steal and eat all the kids in the next town over."

Pc:"Ok now i'll kill you since you have fallen into the stereotype i thought you would."

Really it would go like this in d&d...
Pc: "look a hag...CHARGE!"

Anyway back to what i was really saying...
I don't think games have a look but i think you can spot them if you chat with them.
I've never gone out with a girl who was into gaming, My ex of 3 years never asked a single thing about it in all the time we were seeing each other. She just knew that one nite a week i would spend doing prep work and that Sunday she could do what the hell she want as long as i didn't have to be there.
I think she really liked the fact that her b/f idea of fun was sitting round with a bunch of other guys, rolling dice and basically repelling women. I know a lot of the guys on this thread don't think this is the case and your right. Been a geek doesn't repel women its a stereotype but i still think role playing is a very male thing.
 

hey Vraille! In fact i intended to write things, but since you pointed... thighs can do too. ;)

And Bunny, Mr., I do think the problem with msot games is that people see things through a lot of stereotypes, the hag charge thing applies for msot things not clearly good and friendly in a game.

Personally I make my games be based on description and intereation, there are no alignment tempaltes and stereotypes to follow too, hate them, but sure characetr in the game judge by stereotypes, but if anyone sees a hag in my game their reaction will usualy be: What the Heck! RUN!

I agree geek repelling woman is astereotype, but the fact that most geeks have problems in getting to dates and the like is something I have been into for sometime, while I could be considered a true geek, right now I am about 26.42998% or a Total Geek, according to this test.

In general I think bringing a woman to a table without teeling everyone that the new player is actually a woman is going to see some surprise. not because she is a girl and play, but mostly because we haven't played much with girls, although i know quite a lot that do, but they have their groups already.
 

Mrbunny said:
I think she really liked the fact that her b/f idea of fun was sitting round with a bunch of other guys, rolling dice and basically repelling women. I know a lot of the guys on this thread don't think this is the case and your right. Been a geek doesn't repel women its a stereotype but i still think role playing is a very male thing.

Hmm...50% on my groups are now female. I think the number is climbing, especially if you look at the WOTC boards, which have a lot more women than ENWorld. Role playing is not a male thing. It is just easier for men to get into it.
 

Djeta Thernadier said:
I really think this stuff all changes as gamers age and mature. I haven't met that many mature adults (not to say there are no some immature adults...) who care if you're a guy or a gal or if you look like a supermodel vs. if you look like a superdork. Mature adults just want to know how good you can play and are not as swayed by stereotypes.

Yup - not that everyone matures, and maybe there are a higher proportion of immature adults playing D&D than in the general population (certainly there seem to be a few on ENW) but by and large by the time you hit late 20s/30s most people have got over childhood insecurities re appearance, gender et al.
 

Joshua Dyal said:
Not to fan the flames, but if you look like either a superdork there's probably more to it than just that you look silly. A purposefully slovenly appearance is often accompanied with other personality problems as well. Carrying your stereotypes too far is obviously a bad idea, but I don't think there's much to be gained by claiming that there's no correlation between uber-dork appearance and also being the kind of person that most don't want to hang out with.

I'd have to agree that a Comic Store Guy appearance might be indicative of a CSG personality. I don't think I've ever really met a real CSG though, I guess I saw a (very) few at Gencon UK the 2 times I went, but I think most of them were professional American games designers... ;)
 

Nifelhein, i think the problem with gaming and girls is that most people (really here i mean guys) will have started playing in there teen years. Well all remember how much FUN those years will have been...lets say that telling a teenage girl you like gaming when your that age is right up there with telling her the real reason you watched bay watch. I just think it sort of carry's on, i have had girls at my table before and i guess it sort of went badly...She was a very good friend to me and one or two of the other guys we played with. We were all cool with her play with us and there was no end of help for her when she was asking anything about the game and what she could and couldn't do, hell me and my friends have been playing 3rd since it came out and we still get rules wrong every week. Were things went badly is with our laid back style we have a lot of joking and well piss taking...I guess its the teenage boy in us and that we have all been playing together for years. At some point something was said by her and she got the micky taken out of her, nothing that doesn't go on at our table every single week and i guess its what just comes with us playing together for so long. Really its all done in the best of fun and no one means anything by it but all of a sudden she started crying! I had to stop the game and take her to one side and have a chat with her about what was wrong and explain that there was nothing meant by whatever got said. This did make me think about how different our game would become with her playing. She left for a China a few weeks later so it wasn't that much of a long term problem, it did change the game why she was there for those weeks after that. The guys now would be much more careful with what they said but that almost took some of the fun out of it.
 

Mrbunny said:
I think she really liked the fact that her b/f idea of fun was sitting round with a bunch of other guys, rolling dice and basically repelling women. I know a lot of the guys on this thread don't think this is the case and your right. Been a geek doesn't repel women its a stereotype but i still think role playing is a very male thing.

I think my husband would disagree. Now he never GMs a game without a woman anymore because of me, but he says he'd rather GM an all female group than an all male group.

Right now we're a 50/50 group for our regular game (SWd20 btw) and 2 female players for Battletech usually weekly. Oh and once a month Marvel 50/50. The 2 player group rotates fairly regularly, we've played AD&D, 3.5, SWd20, Marvel, and Battletech.

Our last group consisted of 3 couples so this is nothing new.

Now that said, I met my husband in a gaming group; I was recruited by a boyfriend in H.S. and left another BF because he didn't play. Gaming is a huge part of our married life and without it we would have never met. Therefore, I think I am living proof that gaming isn't a "male thing."

Oh and for the record I probably would have dropped any guy that told me I couldn't game or wouldn't understand it. :)

Quite a bit earlier in the thread there was some mention of a baby. Congratulations! :)

As for teaching or not teaching any child to game, be grateful if you can. Our son has autism; he's still young enough that we don't know if he'll ever be interested in our favorite hobby. Of all the things his diagnosis forces us to deal with the possibility of not being able to share something that we take such joy in is among the worst.
 

MrBunny,

That kind of difference is what i think would be good for the group and the game as a whole, she probably cried because many comments were usually very very rough and while you feel just that you were more of yourself she might have thought you were being more of a rude, mean or whatever the comments would entice.

Since studying some gender subjects and reading articles and books I have more conscience of how woman get their way into the game and how male are the dominant figures, i am thinking of representations only by the way, for example, if you look at Drows, they say its society is matriarchal and still, most references we see and pictures on 2nd edition complete drow had males on it, the 3rd edition books have man msot of the time, the occasional woman are either nearly naked with a godly appearence or are antropomorphic creatures like a sphinx, medusas and the like, this is prejudice we perpetrate.

Woman are not only a part of the players, they are mostly not a part of the game itself, the represenations, and we don't event think about it. this does not mean we are all sexist, but that we do roll on with the idea that woman can't be strong, that woman are fragile and the like, by short we make rpgs a world full of man and woman wearing magical bikinis for +13 armor bonus, roghly equivalent to a +5 full plate, most drawings you see on the rpg books and market support this way too.

Right now I am working with soem friends into making an RPG organization untied to government that will focus both on the potential of rpg a a tool for learning and also, in its side as a game, we will want to have people to know how the patterns they make into the game usually reinforce some kind of atitude and how they need to have a knowledge of that to change it, even if little.

A friend of mine has gone as far as making we roll for sexuality and sex when we make a character, one friend who joined his game last week is now a bisexual male iaido style fighter. This will be interestig because he is mostly homophobic an besides, we make it clear that this is where he has a chance of leaving prejudices and learn that beign different is not being unnatural or freaky, it is just being oneself.

That said, this is in an all straight group made out of males, but we sure are not eh standard when it comes to how we think about prejudices and we try to take them out of the game, our talk, and our lives.

Sicne I wandered into a gender, feminism and chauvinism problem, feel free not to answer, I don't want to make a flame war of this, but I do think D&D as a whole is a man's game simply because it is a chauvinist game more often than not. Sorry if this became a sexist post, still lvoe D&D.
 

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