Ideas for Replacing Cable TV

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A few friends have asked me how to watch TV online, and even I've been pondering it. I did some research, and to me, the solution's not fully baked.

Right now, in the US, I pay about $70 a month for AT&T's U-Verse 300 package. I don't have the exact count, but we watch a fair amount of TV from a variety of stations.

Hardware-wise, I have 2 TVs with a PS3 and xbox 360 connected to them. I also have a NAS box that is doing the media streaming (and can act as an iTunes Server, whatever that's for). The newer TV has a VGA input, the other only has 1 HDMI input. I have 1 spare laptop (no HDMI) that could go on the newer TV's VGA port, and the PS3 could go on the older TV (HDMI).

I checked Hulu/Hulu Plus, but they're show listing doesn't cover everything. Otherwise $10 a month to watch on a PS3 or laptop. In fact, some of their content is restricted from PS3.

Except for CBS, most of the other broadcast networks show their most recent episodes online.

I also find, that I'm backlogged on shows. When my DVR glitches and misses a show (liek Big Bang Theory), I then don't get around to finding out past when the website is still showing it (and since its CBS prolly won't show it).

Being able to get a show WHEN I have time to watch it is valuable.

A legal limitation is in place, that I won't torrent, or recommend torrenting illegal copies. You never know when that's going to bite you, and given how much malware is floating out there, you can't trust the sources (nor who's tracking).

Another complication, which would apply to advice I'd give my friends on this concept, is the assumption of who the user is. I'm a technical god. It's no big deal for me to connect a laptop to my TV, load up a site and watch (or have to get up to pause...). Once you add other users to the mix, who are not as patient for dealing with a cobbled solution, thats a different matter. So the solution to watch TV online, has to be reasonably simple.

Hulu PLUS was looking like a good candidate. the PS3 has a client, which means the remote for it can be used to start and pause episodes. The 360's getting a client, which would have been the same thing for the other TV. However, the lack of current shows that I'm interested in is a deal breaker. If Hulu had EVERY show from Every network, that would have been very valuable.

I've pondered the idea of renting episodes on iTunes, then in theory, watching them on the laptop (which can only go on the TV in the bedroom with a VGA jack). The lack of a TV remote kind of sucks. The iPhone app to remote control iTunes is not great. Its very laggy. And invariably, you're needing to pause quickly because the phone is ringing...

AppleTV might bridge the gap a bit for the main TV, as it can rent iTunes shows. given that I have 2 game systems that are adding more of these features, I'd rather not buy a "somecorp"TV box.

I consider iTunes renting as a last resort for the shows you can't get elsewhere, namely HBO/ShowTime shows like True Blood and Dexter. And I think those have a week lag.

At $2 an episode, that's not bad for 2-3 shows a week for the 12 weeks those 2 shows run, but it would totally suck for ALL shows. $70/4 weeks/$2 an episode is about 8 shows a week. Its possible that we watch more shows than that (hard to say, since we're in a season break, it's hard to tell how many shows are active at a time to be wanting to watch.


Right now, I do NetFlix for $10 a month on my PS3 and 360. Another $10 for Hulu would have been a perfect trade versus $70 a month.

I'm curious what I'm missing from my analysis. Other services? Would a full "shows we watch" list be useful?

Thinga I haven't explored: the iTunes Server functionality in my Dlink DNS 321 box. My iTunes library is on it already. If I buy a show, can it stream it to my 360/ps3? Thereby not needing a laptop to watch iTunes content.
Whats the lag time for release of shows in iTunes? How much stuff is in there? Are there new shows missing (that i might be watching)? Where are the CBS shows (I'd heard they were backers of Hulu, yet Hulu is very lacking in CBS content).

Key requirements are:
legality
ease of operation/minimal hassle
reasonable hardware requirements
 

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Not quite to your specific question, but one possibility to check out is your local library. I'm fortunate to have a very good library system where I live, so I watch most shows when the DVD's come out. I can reserve them online, and put reserves on hold if too many are coming available at the same time. Sometimes I'm way back in line for a popular movie or show (for example, I'm around 500 for Inception), but that's what Netflix is for. $10 a month for Netflix, $20 for basic cable, zero for the library adds up to more shows than I can keep up with.

Obviously, DVD's only work if you don't have to see the latest episode as it comes out. That's not a priority for me, so this works well.
 

Well, if most of what you're watching is broadcast in your area, get some digital antennas. We did that for my Dad's office: $60 and he gets 75% of the local stations...including some that are NOT carried by the cable providers.
 

Well, if most of what you're watching is broadcast in your area, get some digital antennas. We did that for my Dad's office: $60 and he gets 75% of the local stations...including some that are NOT carried by the cable providers.

And even if you're in one of those locations that get lousy reception (like my home), you should still have a better option than a full cable package. I believe all cable companies have to offer an inexpensive local package of 10-20 stations. That's what I opted for, which gives me most NFL games, plus a handful of shows that I like (Bones, Castle, Smallville, PBS Newshour). This change alone cut my cable bill by $50 a month.
 

hard to say if I can get signal. When i bought my house, the only station I got off the antenna was PBS. So we promptly ordered cable. And I'm only 30 miles from downtown Houston.

Its possible the replacement for HDTV sends a stronger signal, but that would require buying an antenna (I'm assuming a small set-top style HD antenna, not a full aerial.

Its possible a TIVO would do the trick to record shows. I've seen someone somewhere else mentioning doing that for broadcast TV. In theory, I'd be happy with SD level of quality if it kept the cost down, and could be accessed by both TVs (perhaps via xbox/PS3).

That just leaves iTunes or network sites for shows lik Burn Notice, Dexter and True Blood and whatever good comes out on Sci Fi channel.

I fired ComCast for crappy service, not going back to them. U-Verse is the best service I've gotten.

It doesn't sound like there's other options (like Roku?). it seems we're on the cusp of being able ot fully replace the cable company, but not quite...
 

I used TiVo and antenna-based TV fora while, it was great. On top of the fact that antenna HD is sharper picture than Cable HD, it was a good deal. We got all the networks in the Twin Cities . . . except on Sunday. For some strange reason we could only get Fox or NBC on Sunday, not both. It was the Vikings phenomenal run last year, so we couldn't bear the inconsistency and rather than dish out for an exterior antenna, we just signed up for local-only Comcast service.

We're considering going back to antenna HD with an exterior antenna at times because we're just not that in to watching TV anymore with the amount we download through iTunes or stream through Netflix to the Apple TV.
 

I can't go back to broadcast TV without a recorder (I got rid of all my VHS centuries ago). I'd also need to buy a test HD antenna (return it if I don't get signal), and find a cheap enough Tivo. I care less about actual HD quality, more about being able to see a show. So an older tivo recording in SD would be sufficient (especially if I can still access it from 2 TVs over the network).


Anyone know if Tivos can do all this? Older ones, with modifications? The last price I saw for an HD Tivo was $1000 about 5 years ago. it proved that paying $7 a month to TimeWarner for an HD DVR was a good deal.
 

Key requirements are:
legality
ease of operation/minimal hassle
reasonable hardware requirements

Something else to consider...

Unplug.

We haven't had our television hooked up to a satellite dish, cable or antenna for close to twelve years. Honestly, we don't miss it. We still have a Blu-ray player and a VCR, and have instead been collecting a wall full of video library ever since.

We still watch television shows, but we're a little pickier about what we watch. We simply wait patiently for our favorite shows to come out on DVD, and purchase them by the season. We can watch them when we like, as often as we like, and without commercials. It also has the advantage of giving us complete control over what, when and how much our kids are watching (We've never had to sit through Teletubbies, Barney or Spongebob -- Yay for us!).

And as Croesus mentioned, we've got an extensive public library system form which we can borrow oodles of things for free... Often, we'll try out a few episodes of a television show from the library for free, and then later decide to buy the entire series, if we like it enough.
 
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Books.

Hey-O!
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spousal units present extra requirements. Namely, we ain't going without access to current TV (which by current knowledge at my house isn't available by antenna).

And my wife reads more books than anybody. She plows through them on her e-reader, plus the paper ones she can't get in ebook.

Plus, I'm pondering this stuff for not just myself, but anybody looking for a replacement to the cable company. Drastically reducing functionality is simply a cost savings, not a replacement.

We're only a couple of inches away from current TV content being available online for cheaper than a cable package.

So just canceling cable misses the point. The point isn't the cost savings. The point is that I'm looking to see if I can save money with a near equivalent alternative and save money.
 

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