If a Paladin Lays on Hands a incorporal undead, does the 50/50 miss chance apply?

[johnsemlak]

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[vulcan_idic]

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That would depend on how you actually plan on laying your hands on something thats incorporeal...

If they were to be willing (???) no I would say it wouldn't...

But under most circumstances an attack like that would require an attack roll (unarmed) that deals damage equal to the lay on hands amount... I guess...

 

[hong]

No. It's positive energy, and positive energy attacks don't have to worry about the miss chance.

 

[johnsemlak]

Thanks Hong. My paladin will bear that in mind

Just to be clear, Of course I still assume I need to make a touch attack.

 

[Thanee]

No. It's positive energy, and positive energy attacks don't have to worry about the miss chance.

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Even when struck by magic or magic weapons, an incorporeal creature has a 50% chance to ignore any damage from a corporeal source—except for a force effect or damage dealt by a ghost touch weapon.

Bye
Thanee

 

[hong]

MM, p.310.

 

[Thanee]

Interesting, that's quite different to the DMG version...

Even when hit by spells or magic weapons, it has a 50% chance to ignore any damage from a corporeal source (except for positive energy, negative energy, force effects such as magic missile, or attacks made with ghost touch weapons).

Bye
Thanee

 

[Abstraction]

I think the real question is whether there is a 50% miss chance for a "magic" attack, or if it has 100% miss chance like a mundane weapon does. I vote that it only has a 50% miss.

 

[TheEvil]

I think the real question is whether there is a 50% miss chance for a "magic" attack, or if it has 100% miss chance like a mundane weapon does. I vote that it only has a 50% miss.

How do you figure? Just living up to your name?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Didn't one Sage or other rule that Cure Light Wounds suffered the 50% miss chance... because even though it's a positive energy effect, the positive energy doesn't discharge unless you successfully touch the target, and the touch is not a positive energy effect?

(I don't get how your hand can touch them at all unless the spell makes it magical... and if the spell makes it magical, then it should qualify as a positive energy effect! The ruling makes no sense to me!)

-Hyp.