If Harm is broken, what's the best house rule for it?

[Marion Poliquin]

Only monks can even come close to that level of power.

Monks are powerful? That's a refreshing point of view.

 

[Ace]

Re: [Flogging a horse with 1d4 hp left] Harm broken? I think not.

From the SRD:



Broken? No. Effective? By all means.

Negative Energy Protection provides no proof against this spell, of course, but the simplest way to counter it is with a Heal spell. Which leads to the idea that if you're able to heal, you should be able to harm. And don't let's forget that a range of Touch can be a little dicey at Challenge Ratings that include the use of 6th level Cleric spells.

Harm preserves rules-symmetry and gives villains a nice smackdown to use on Billy Badass PCs. I like it! Who's with me?

I like it. No need to change the rules IMG

 

[Kibo]

Monks are powerful? That's a refreshing point of view.

Hey, there is at least one monk prestige class that is a harm mocking machine. Hit with harm? No problem. If this little guy goes below 0, he gets an instant heal, once per day. And the cleric may well not survive the round he cast harm in.

 

[Lucius Foxhound]

The MIddle East itself proves that wrong, yet my fantasy persists. I'm a victim of the logic loop.

I'd just like to add that the Middle East is also broken.

 

[Piratecat]

I'd just like to add that the Middle East is also broken.

Hey now! None of that political talk!

Kibo, which prestige class is that?

 

[Kibo]

Hey now! None of that political talk!

Kibo, which prestige class is that?

Perfect Being or something like that from one of the dragons. They end up with just insane saves, even for a monk. I didn't realize it was so political. I'll send you my copy with a self addressed stamped envelope so you can send it back after you've finished blacking it out. &:{<-- self portrait. Came out looking a little like teflon billy though, or al snow, but I repeat myself.

 

[Anubis]

If Heal is too powerful when used by dragons, give it an hp cap that the PC are likely never to reach. Healing 250 hp sounds fine to me. Very few PCs have that kind of hp.

You must run a weak campaign. In my games, almost everyone except wizards have 250 hit points by Level 20.

 

[Anubis]

Monks are powerful? That's a refreshing point of view.

DO you play the same game the rest of us do? Monks are quite possibly the most powerful core class in the game, second to only MAYBE the cleric.

 

[Anubis]

Re: well

i've found it tends to come down on whose definition of reason that your using. mine or yours


joe b.

Reason, however, is based on logic. Logic is based on existing fact to find more fact. Based on the facts I have presented, logic tells us that as it is, Harm is, in fact, broken.

I have proven this over and over again, and not a single person here has been able to refute my evidence, nor has anyone here even tried. I think that tells everyone something.

The fact that it brings death with no save speaks for itself in all honesty. Yet no one listens.

 

[James McMurray]

What kind of backup do you have for your Monk ideas Anubis? I've seen some nice monks, but generally they seem to be more capable of surviving than actually killing their enemies.