if your DM gave you 200,000 in magicals-what would you buy?

[ARandomGod]

Disintegrate, Enervation, Shadow Evocation (granted, thats more of a sorceror one), and thats just from the PHB.

Disintegrate works (level 6)... Hrmm... and it adds sneak attack damage even if they make their fort save. So that's a good one.

Enervation makes the target gain negative levels, it doesn't do damage, and therefore doesn't qualify.

Shadow Evocation I don't think counts, as it just lets you cast an inferior version of a fourth level or lower evocation. But I suppose if you're a sorceror it could be a good choice to expand your effective "spells known"

OK, I admit it, I don't have a lot of books. I still don't know of an effective spell that's "official" to apply sneak attack damage for levels 4, 5, (6=disintegrate), 7, or 8.

 

[Diirk]

In Complete Arcane, in the section where they discuss 'weaponlike spells', crits and sneak attacks, they specifically use enervation as examples for each. A crit on enervation does 2d4 negative levels, a sneak attack from enervation does 1d4 negative levels + xd6 negative energy hp damage.

PS. Complete Arcane also has quite a few spells in the level range you mention that would work with sneak attack, starting with Orb of XXX spells at 4th level, Prismatic Ray at 5th (50% of the time anyway.. depends what effect you roll !), Arrow of Bone at 6th, Emerald Flame Fist at 7th.

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

I keep repeating myself and then in return a few of you keep repeating yourselves, so lets go around one more time

Thorncrest: I know what the rules say, does every one go by this particular rule? I have yet to see any gaming group actually adhere to the $ per level rule 100%.

Common response on this thread: Read the rules, the book says X, Mr thorncrest your giving X examples when the rules say XXX are we all wrong and your right?

Thorncrest: do any of your 12th/13th level pc's have say a XXX magic item that is worth 50,000 or more do you have 2 of them? Well if you do then your over the $ per level rule arent you?

Again common response: your giving examples of magic why? Your house ruling it, this is not as RAW....

Thorncrest: " my last response and around and around we go

Thorncrest

A fella can dream, can't he?

 

[Rystil Arden]

I keep repeating myself and then in return a few of you keep repeating yourselves, so lets go around one more time

Thorncrest: I know what the rules say, does every one go by this particular rule? I have yet to see any gaming group actually adhere to the $ per level rule 100%.

Common response on this thread: Read the rules, the book says X, Mr thorncrest your giving X examples when the rules say XXX are we all wrong and your right?

Thorncrest: do any of your 12th/13th level pc's have say a XXX magic item that is worth 50,000 or more do you have 2 of them? Well if you do then your over the $ per level rule arent you?

Again common response: your giving examples of magic why? Your house ruling it, this is not as RAW....

Thorncrest: " my last response and around and around we go

Thorncrest

I think you're misrepresenting this. It's more like this:

Thorncrest: I know what the rules say, does every one go by this particular rule? I have yet to see any gaming group actually adhere to the $ per level rule 100%, and your characters will be killed by balanced encounters for their CR if you do unless the DM cheats to help you.

Nail: Are you saying that the rules and all the playtesters who balanced the CR system are wrong and you are right? What about all the people on ENWorld? Are we all fudging the dice?

Thorncrest: do any of your 12th/13th level pc's have say a XXX magic item that is worth 50,000 or more do you have 2 of them? Well if you do then your over the $ per level rule arent you?

Rystil: My campaigns have significantly less net worth than the baseline and they live.

Others: We play with even less than the baseline too and our games turn out fine. There is no problem with the RAW for party wealth.

Thorncrest: I know what the rules say, does every one go by this particular rule? I have yet to see any gaming group actually adhere to the $ per level rule 100%.

etc.

 

[Eolin]

I love this thread.

I think because I'm realy enjoying seeing Thorncreft get intellectually beaten up over and over again.

And not notice. Its hilarious.

 

[Laslo Tremaine]

While I don't have hard numbers for 12th level, we just hit 9th in our current Freeport game. I was retiring my Druid since we were in need of a dedicated Cleric/Healer type, and I've been keeping a running total of his magic item value and it came out to roughly 2,000gp above the listed amount for that level. I think he was well above the party average since he had a set of +3 hide armor, which boosted his magic item total quite a bit.

So, yes, in the game we play we seem to be right around the suggested magic item totals.

It seems to me that the majority of the people in this thread are saying the same thing...

 

[Laslo Tremaine]

ps: We play in a low magic campaign sometimes and things get expensive there, the pc's would be worth probably 100,000 easy.

Sir ThornCrest. I think you might want to consider changing your definitions of Normal Magic and Low Magic (at least when posting on these boards).

Your "Low Magic" (100k at 12th level) is above the average for a normal magic campaign by the RAW. Your "Normal Magic" game is way out in the stratosphere.

Say "High Magic" and "Normal Magic", and I think you will have quite a few less arguments from the regular posters here...

 

[cignus_pfaccari]

Yea, that's what I do. I mean, it's there and it fills a spot for a reason. I have it suppress all items withing the area without a save. Very big, very mean, and not soo very destructive. You (the GM) haven't just told your players *@##$%##^!!! Or something similiar.

ME? DM? Oh, that's funny.

I'm taking all sorts of PrCs in our Planescape game to get my character's Will save to where I can have a chance of making those MD saves reliably.

However, I will mention this to the group, as at least one of our DMs doesn't like MD, either.

Brad

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

I respond to one thread in between phone calls here in my office and by the time I post it its many minutes later. But yes I am getting smashed arent I. Never the less its still fun, this is my first site posting on here in America.

I just ran a beholder against the group, it has 17 int, so I played him tactically and damn near wiped the parties collective clock clean. Vs a party without the wands and rings etc that this party has I would venture to estimate at least a 50/50 chance he would of killed the whole party. Keep the big eye on the spell casters, will save the fighters, blink and disentegrate the spell casters....

Thorncrest
punch drunk from being tagged so many times

I love this thread.

I think because I'm realy enjoying seeing Thorncreft get intellectually beaten up over and over again.

And not notice. Its hilarious.

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

By the way what is the $/level for a 13th level group? I know its 88,000 for a 12th level.

THorncrest
PS: I still have yet to see anyone answer if they have a +3 sword of whatever at 13th level or if their wizard has an expensive staff etc. However I have seen almost everyone post that our group is basically crazed with magicals and way way over what they should be. I still would like to see some of the people posting here post their general pc outline...I know this would leave plenty of room for people to post less than what they have to better prove their point but I am relying on their honesty. This has yet to happen.

I know of several gaming groups here in CA Pasadena, Glendora, Woodland Hills, Long Beach
with a good 4 to 8 players each, not to mention those of us still serving in san diego or abroad, and every single one of them without fail goes well over the prescribed amount per level........so the way I look at it maybe its a American/california thing, being from Australia Im used to having average/par for the course!
Thorncrest

Sir ThornCrest. I think you might want to consider changing your definitions of Normal Magic and Low Magic (at least when posting on these boards).

Your "Low Magic" (100k at 12th level) is above the average for a normal magic campaign by the RAW. Your "Normal Magic" game is way out in the stratosphere.

Say "High Magic" and "Normal Magic", and I think you will have quite a few less arguments from the regular posters here...