I'm annoyed

*removing the mircophone, and the high stand*

-Okay, times up- :cool:

Henry said:
Oh, we do. That's where charges of favoritism come from. :)

Often times, it's not a clear line that's crossed. As I said, it's a snide comment here, an over-reaching statement there, and it's a fine line to walk between making draconian statements very ten posts like a peacock, and letting insults slide. When you're checking in on a conversation over the course of a work day, in an hour's time you leave a well-mannered, yet slightly edgy, thread and come back to a knock-down drag out that, taking proper time to fix, would take two hours to edit, ban, warn, and steer back to topic. Sometimes, closing the thread is the only practical solution to a sticky problem. If we catch someone outright getting nasty, they're temp-banned, pure and simple, and the repeat offenders get perma-banned.

I'm about to start a policy of getting MUCH harsher on people insulting one another on WotC-related threads, even if it means I get the usual, "you mods are are playing favorites" comments all over again. I for one have a patience that's wearing thin with people skirting polite boundaries.

Thanks to everyone letting me preach to the choir for a minute. :)
 

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3? 1? How about 6 months? The look on their faces will be priceless, when they are told this, will be worth it. (Just imagine seeing it, by your mind inner eye)

Zenodotus of Ephesus said:
Start handing out bans for that sort of bad behavior. Three day bans, then one week bans, then one month bans, etc. Bet it'll clear up fairly quickly and people with a real need to add their input will find a way to do it politely. It's pretty obvious that something needs to change when mild-mannered folks like you (Henry) and the eternal optimist (MerricB) start yanking your hair out.
 

Unfortunately, this is the wave of foolishness will rise time, and time again. And it can't be curtailed, unless you are willing to have a minute by minute moderation on the threads 24/7, 60mins/60secs in toll. It is just not possible. Deflecting the roughness, has become a necessary job, due to the means of free speech, which to some, have been taken for granted, literally.

It is truly, a privilege gift, that a lot of people has forgotten. Some people have better tolerance than others, and some don't...that the cheese of the problem, and that is not going away anytime soon.

And the main cultprit in this, is the internet...people can get to see more views of other folks, and it is not in the double digits, it is in the thousands...we are expose to a grander look, of what people are thinking, than ever before. Our minds has to filter a greater number of mindsets, beliefs, opinions, on a vaster scale...and man, it hurts!!!

The human mind is good, but not that great, to actually handle the massive influx, we see everyday on the internet...and that is where sometimes, people just go off in the deep end, example speaking of course.

So, in a nutshell...rules, guidelines, punishments, are a just metaphoric showing, on how to conduct one self, in a forum...the true reminders of the tolerance waving stick, should be the people who answer back to a possible flame in the pant, question...but we tend to forget that we have to police ourselves in this virtual world, cause, it is still, a unexplored country.

That is why, we have the guides (moderators), just to remind us, when we veer off course, once and a while.

And what is that old saying, I hear a lot..."Check yourself, before you wreck yourself", does have its meaning...but again, people don't adhere to that, cause they get the blinder effect, when a topic pushes them pass their safety net (wait....do we have a safety net at all?)

As I made a reference here, about getting back at those, who will close a thread, I do not approve of that method, unless there is a way, not to ruffle feathers in the end. My method, my own, worked great...and the problem ended quietly as it came so noisely. Everyone has a way to do things, in their own fashion...but it when it comes a forum, there is a guideline, that all mods must follow, cause, it is the safety net for them.

I wish wholehearty, that people could follow that example...but I am not holding my breath.

Humans are just plain crazy... :)

William Ronald said:
It seems that we are having a rash of rudeness on the boards of late. Maybe it is me, but it seems that we are seeing more closed threads. I don't want people to feel uncomfortable about posting here. The whole concept of these boards is to discuss a hobby that we love and related matters. So, I think that keeping a civil atmosphere helps keep discussions on track. Perhaps a good rule for posters here is to be considerate of each other. I try NOT to say anything to others that I would not want anyone to say about me. It doesn't matter if a poster is a company president or someone who has just started gaming. There is still another human being looking at a thread, who might be hurt by someone else's comments.
 
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I'm also annoyed. I had a point to add about the math of the survey to the thread, and now it's closed. I'll add the point here - mods, if you feel this is trying to reopen the thread, feel free to edit it out of my post.

Summary: Old (1999) survey says "2% of US population between 12 and 35 years of age play D&D monthly, or 1.5 million." Now, Charles Ryan says "4.6 million play D&D monthly." Someone else says "That's 1.6% of the US population." Yet another person says "Wait. How can the percentage be lower but the number be greater?" Easy - the first is 2% of approximately 90 million, the second is 1.6% of 280 million.
 

Staffan said:
I'm also annoyed. I had a point to add about the math of the survey to the thread, and now it's closed. I'll add the point here - mods, if you feel this is trying to reopen the thread, feel free to edit it out of my post.
i answered that first survey multiple times. and the newest ones too.
 

Henry said:
...All we mods want is a civil thread. We want a place that WotC employees, 3rd party publishers, fans, can enjoy, share their thoughts, share a few laughs and discussions about their favorite hobby, without getting their verbal teeth knocked in.
...

To hell with favoritism, I want a good discussion!
Hear hear.
 

Truth Seeker said:
And what is that old saying, I hear a lot..."Check yourself, before you wreck yourself", does have its meaning...but again, people don't adhere to that, cause they get the blinder effect, when a topic pushes them pass their safety net (wait....do we have a safety net at all?)

As I made a reference here, about getting back at those, who will close a thread, I do not approve of that method, unless there is a way, not to ruffle feathers in the end. My method, my own, worked great...and the problem ended quietly as it came so noisely. Everyone has a way to do things, in their own fashion...but it when it comes a forum, there is a guideline, that all mods must follow, cause, it is the safety net for them.

I wish wholehearty, that people could follow that example...but I am not holding my breath.

Humans are just plain crazy... :)


Good advice. I would rather NOT see a thread closed if it can be avoided. However, I think that it might be a good idea to give warnings. We all have some things that will drive us past the breaking point. In which case, maybe the wisest thing to do is to step away from the computer and calm down.

As for human craziness, I suspect that we will have to put up with that here on the boards. Part of the problem with setting up an example for people to follow is that we are flawed, and do have lapsses in judgement. Yet we can still strive for high standards.

I want good discussions here. We may disagree on some issues, but we can at least try to respect each other.

So, in addition to moderating our own behavior, what can we do? I will contact a moderator if I think it is needed. So, perhaps we can try to look our for each other on the boards. I think one thing that I have learned by being part of EN World is the diversity of gamers and views here. I think I have become a better gamer because of it. Indeed, I think we benefit from listening to others -- even when we strongly disagree. Even if we don't change our opinions on an issue, we may learn why others have their views.
 
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MerricB said:
Seeing the devolution of my latest Charles Ryan Speaks post, and its subsequent locking, I'm extremely annoyed.

Sorry, Merric! I saw that thread, but missed the "devolution", and close... Too bad it devolved, and was ended.

Poor Henry! Poor Merric! (Poor Charles, if he was here to see it!) :(
 
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On the positive side, it looks like the discussion with E. Gary Gygax can go on indefinitely without problems. It's on part IX, and all the threads are very long and have many, many views. Of course, Gary isn't "The Man" anymore, so perhaps that's why people are nice.

I have a question regarding thread moderation. I have visited the boards over at giantitp (which discuss the Order of the Stick comics) and there is a note warning against "vigilante moderators" - people who take it on themselves to warn other people about various alleged infractions. The real moderators don't like it when people take such initiative.

What are people's thoughts about that? Is it a productive use of peer pressure when we gently remind someone that their remarks are out of line? Or is it liable to make things worse, and so we should just stick to reporting posts?
 

I perfer to just report posts instead of trying to "vigilante moderate" as most problem people seem to igonre the actual mods a good portion of the time and I've seen them react badly to other posters trying to do it.
 

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