I'm Published! A Writer's POV

So, I just checked the "Top Sales Lists" on RPGNow and see that my book is ranked #85 so far this month. I have no idea what that means relative to other books because I actually never looked at those lists before.

So, after two days, it's #85 but I don't have any idea how many sales that means.

Still, it's nice to see that it actually made some kind of "top" list. :)
 

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Samothdm said:
So, I just checked the "Top Sales Lists" on RPGNow and see that my book is ranked #85 so far this month. I have no idea what that means relative to other books because I actually never looked at those lists before.

So, after two days, it's #85 but I don't have any idea how many sales that means.

Still, it's nice to see that it actually made some kind of "top" list. :)

It means at least five, and probably a few more. Congratulations!

Jason H.
 


Drifter Bob said:
One wierd thing for me (which is probably commonplace now days) was that the entire time we worked on the book I never met anyone from Pelgrane face to face or even spoke on the telephone... everything was done by email

Same thing with me!

Drifter Bob said:
Overall, marketing the book has been by far the hardest and least rewarding aspect of the project. The d20 market is a big, big, big, confusing place, and I basically have no idea what I'm doing and Pelgrane doesn't have the resources to even begin to tackle it. My one bit of advice: avoid usenet!!

So wihle marketing was an unpleasant chore, and there were a few other problems, some of which are ongoing, overall it's been a positive learning experience.

As a fellow marketing person (advertising for me), I'd be very interested in reading what problems you encountered on this.
 

Samothdm said:
As a fellow marketing person (advertising for me), I'd be very interested in reading what problems you encountered on this.

God, where to start. Basically, the problem is that the company I wrote for lacks established connections to the D20 world. Their own rpg is loved by critics but is largely unknown in the gaming community. Since my book represented a relatively low priority (low expectation) experiment with D20, it was basically up to me to get the word out, if that was indeed possible.

I definately didn't really see this coming. Writing the book was a fairly immense project, once I actually saw it in print I thought my work was largely over. I knew marketing was going to be up to me, but I thought it would be simple. So much the fool I! You can write an excellent book for d20, and I think the Primer is one of the most unique and useful suppliments out there, but if it's not marketed correctly, given the current flood of competition, nobody is going to even notice it.

So the difficulties I have to admit were largely due to my almost total lack of knowledge or ability in marketing. I've never been much of a salesman! I'm much more of an artisan type, and something of a curmudgeon to boot.

A few specifics, I was asked to find a reviewer and I didn't realise that reviewers have different style preferences. I asked a guy I knew virtualy nothing about (other than that he did reviews) who I think approached gaming in general from a very different perspective from the philisophy of the book. As a result, my first and most widely read review was mixed. All the others were very positive, but I don't think they were noticed.

That was just the first problem though. There were so many little technical dificulties. One example, I couldn't get the image of the book uploaded to Amazon. I've tried over and over, there is some problem with their automated software. This is still ongoing. Probably my biggest blunder was attempting to promote the book on usenet. Not having seen usenet in like 5 years I had no idea how vicious it had really gotten. I ended up getting baited into a flamewar with some psychotic newsgroup regulars, a couple of whom proceeded to stalk me for weeks, sabotaging me in every way they could think of and causing all kinds of unbelievable headaches.

Support material (web enhancements) took longer to get finished than anticipated, though feedback on what we did so far has been very good. I talked the publisher into holding a spell naming contest with pretty good prizes, but nobody entered it. That was a flop! The mini adventure we did still needs to be edited... On one occasion I went to my FLGS to see if they had my book on their shelves, with some vague idea about promoting it in some way, but I felt embarrassed and when someone asked if I was the author I kind of clammed up, mumbled a bit and left.

In general, it's so hard to know where to go online, there are so many websites, so many gaming companies. So many distriubtors. As you said, this is a huge part of the research which goes into developing a d20 product, only for me, it was something I got into after the book came out. Even now I don't have a clear idea in my head of who the major industry players are. I really have no idea which websties are the best for promoting a D20 book, but I found some people discussing the Primer here on ENworld and it seemed the friendliest site I found, so I stuck around here basically. For better or worse, this is where my marketing efforts end!

DB
 

Drifter Bob said:
A few specifics, I was asked to find a reviewer and I didn't realise that reviewers have different style preferences. I asked a guy I knew virtualy nothing about (other than that he did reviews) who I think approached gaming in general from a very different perspective from the philisophy of the book. As a result, my first and most widely read review was mixed. All the others were very positive, but I don't think they were noticed.

If you ever need something reviewed, you can contact me (and this applies to anyone, contact me at cgath@insight.rr.com ). I'll admit I'm not the best at timely reviews but I usually get them done within a month of getting it. Also, if you want a faster review I can usually find someone to review it although that is a mixed bag as somertimes the review gets done and other times it doesn't.

EN World is a great place and we do have lots of people who like the smaller pdf companies. One great way to promote around here is just have a link in your signiture and then jion in the threads and post a bit. As you get better known peoiple will slowly check out the book. Also, if you watch for threads that your book can help, you can pimp your book. Many people do it with their own books , or just wiuth books they like.
 
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Samothdm said:
Hope this was somewhat helpful to aspiring writers like myself, and enlightening to read some of what goes into making these products we all enjoy.

I have been unsuccessfully trying to have published a gaming book I wrote last year.

Mongoose and Bastion both lost interest in it. I have yet to hear anything back about my query about that book, or another I am currently working on, from Bad Axe, Fast Forwards, Fantasy Flight, Troll Lord, Fiery Dragon or Mystic Eye.

These people, of course, do not owe me anything. I am very humble about all of this. I am just a person, like a thousand others trying to get my work published.

That said, the rejections are disappointing. The silences – where you never hear anything back one way or the other – are worse because they simply leave you twisting in the wind. To clarify, I am not talking about a one-week silence/waiting period to hear back, but a silence of three or more months.

Being foolishly stubborn, I have not given up – I am simply venting.
 


Crothian said:
If you ever need something reviewed, you can contact me (and this applies to anyone, contact me at cgath@insight.rr.com ). I'll admit I'm not the best at timely reviews but I usually get them done within a month of getting it. Also, if you want a faster review I can usually find someone to review it although that is a mixed bag as somertimes the review gets done and other times it doesn't.

EN World is a great place and we do have lots of people who like the smaller pdf companies. One great way to promote around here is just have a link in your signiture and then jion in the threads and post a bit. As you get better known peoiple will slowly check out the book. Also, if you watch for threads that your book can help, you can pimp your book. Many people do it with their own books , or just wiuth books they like.

Thanks Crothian, I was actually going to ask you, but am actually currently rather nervously awaiting Psion's review, due it a couple of weeks. I had asked him to reccomend an ENworld reviewer and he said he was a fan of Jack Vance so I went with him, as my book is based on Jack Vance's Dying Earth.

I used to have links in my sig but I couldn't figure out how to embed the URL into a link the way everyone else seems to (more incompetence) and I thought the tag looked kind of silly with the long web page addresses so I took it out.

DB
 


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