Immortals Handbook: Gods & Monsters 5E Early Preview (Feedback encouraged)

[Upper_Krust]

Damage doesn't scale in 5e and very poorly at that.

Yes it seems I am the first to work It out. To be fair It wasn't obvious.

It is likely why Dark Matter used MDC, mega-creatures for a space setting to reflect much higher yields.

No need.

I mean obviously if you are rolling 100 d6 or whatever you can just roll 10 instead and multiply by 10. But I don't see any big need to create a new mechanic for it.

Unless you are introducing a new mechanic?

I'm introducing several new mechanics. But Mega Damage isn't one of them.

 

[dave2008]

Damage doesn't scale in 5e and very poorly at that.
It is likely why Dark Matter used MDC, mega-creatures for a space setting to reflect much higher yields.
Unless you are introducing a new mechanic?

Damage does scale in 5e. It is just not implemented rigidly. There are two methods by which damage scales in base 5e:

1. Size: 1d for Medium, 2d for Large, 3d for Huge, and 4d for Gargantuan.
2. CR: The DPR expected from a monster goes up as its CR goes up. However, there is no guideline on damage per attack.

 

[dave2008]

I mean obviously if you are rolling 100 d6 or whatever you can just roll 10 instead and multiply by 10. But I don't see any big need to create a new mechanic for it.

I am thinking of introducing a guideline that 100D6 (vs 100d6) with a capital D = 1d6 x 100

 

[Rogerd1]

Damage does scale in 5e. It is just not implemented rigidly. There are two methods by which damage scales in base 5e:

1. Size: 1d for Medium, 2d for Large, 3d for Huge, and 4d for Gargantuan.
2. CR: The DPR expected from a monster goes up as its CR goes up. However, there is no guideline on damage per attack.

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That is just incremental damage, not really scaling per se - not like say Star Wars D6, or say Savage Worlds.

For instance in Savage Worlds SWADE if you have armour with Heavy (+2) then nothing can harm you without also having the Heavy attached to it, whether weapon or power. This is used in both Savage Worlds across the board, although it sees a lot of use in Savage Rifts and Savage Pathfinder.

Now Savage Rifts has Arcane Background: Master of Magic, and a similar one for Psychics, such that all powers used are Heavy (IIRC).

Now in Savage Battlelords, there is another scale included, Super Heavy, which is for large robots, or spaceships.

That is scaling.

Like I said D6 Star Wars had it such that anything 2 levels higher in scale was unable to be harmed by those lower. So it allowed for objects 1 scale lower to harm them. I cannot recall the full rules, it has been awhile but that was the gist.

 

[dave2008]

That is just incremental damage, not really scaling per se - not like say Star Wars D6, or say Savage Worlds.

For instance in Savage Worlds SWADE if you have armour with Heavy (+2) then nothing can harm you without also having the Heavy attached to it, whether weapon or power. This is used in both Savage Worlds across the board, although it sees a lot of use in Savage Rifts and Savage Pathfinder.

Now Savage Rifts has Arcane Background: Master of Magic, and a similar one for Psychics, such that all powers used are Heavy (IIRC).

Now in Savage Battlelords, there is another scale included, Super Heavy, which is for large robots, or spaceships.

That is scaling.

Like I said D6 Star Wars had it such that anything 2 levels higher in scale was unable to be harmed by those lower. So it allowed for objects 1 scale lower to harm them. I cannot recall the full rules, it has been awhile but that was the gist.

Actually, that is not scaling, that is compartmentalizing. You can apply a scale to the those compartments, but by default it is not scaling. What I described was indeed scaling. Perhaps not on a grand scale, but scaling nonetheless.

 

[Rogerd1]

Actually, that is not scaling, that is compartmentalizing. You can apply a scale to the those compartments, but by default it is not scaling. What I described was indeed scaling. Perhaps not on a grand scale, but scaling nonetheless.

No, I don't agree.
Another example is monster sizes, as it scales into larger, and larger beasties.

Spatial scale - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

TNT equivalent - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Both of these are scales.

Technically DnD damage is only showing one scale of damage, or one tier. Unless I am misunderstanding scales....

 

[Upper_Krust]

Not entirely sure what is being argued here, but the bottom line is I don't use Mega Damage. But if someone wants to say 100 dice is 1 Mega Damage dice then that's entirely up to them. I'd just assume common sense will dictate people will know how many dice is too many to bother rolling and counting for them.

I've got my energy "scaling" in the book from Grenade to Big Bang (and beyond) and it seems good enough for me and the numbers (while high) are probably not as high as you'd imagine.

 

[dave2008]

No, I don't agree.
Another example is monster sizes, as it scales into larger, and larger beasties.

Spatial scale - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

TNT equivalent - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Both of these are scales.

Technically DnD damage is only showing one scale of damage, or one tier. Unless I am misunderstanding scales....

This is the last I will say about this so as not to mess up UK's thread any further. There are many types of scales. I am an architect by trade and use scale every day to represent on paper (digital paper now days) what will be eventually built (i.e. full scale). In that process, one on set of documents we will use a bunch of different scales it could 1/100 to 1/2 even. It can be a wide range. My point being, scales vary and 5e damage does scale (as I already demonstrated), it is just more fluid than what you want.

 

[Akira Whitlock]

How goes the progress with the book?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey there Akira mate!

How goes the progress with the book?

I'd say its 70% done. But the finish line is still 2+ months away. Some weeks I get 15 pages finished, some (like this past week) I get 3 pages done.

This week I decided it would be a good idea to illustrate a magic sword for each of the 36 new materials (18 for gods, 18 beyond gods), because it can be tricky to visualize wholly new concepts. This was not something planned prior to 2 weeks ago.

Its taken six days work and I have 34 of the swords illustrated, although in the process I have come up with another 18 new materials or magic swords that I'll use in a subsequent book.

So progress is kinda like that. Good weeks = 10+ pages done. Typical week = 5 pages done. Slow week = less than 5 (usually because I reworked something).

Slowness aside, the book looks amazing (have showed stuff to a few people and its been 99% positive feedback). So very happy with how it looks, just a matter of getting over the finish line now.

Once I get down to within a month before release I will start having some previews.