Immortals Handbook, what format interests you?

[DMaple]

Ah but the other books aren't need to play God's.

You could play God's with just Primal Order.

Chessboards was about Planes.

Pawns was about Minions.

and I've yet to get my hands on a copy of Knights. *boo whoo*


So what additional stuff are you adding that we need more pages with more density.

If its all rules then its way to 'heavy' to be practical by the sounds of it. If its fluff then some of it can surely afford to be dropped.

 

[Nightfall]

Hardcover, Krusty Mate. Mainly because I think you deserve it.

 

[DMaple]

I've voted hardcopy in the end because if I was going to use it then I'd want a printed version. There is probably enough rules content that you'ld need to print the whole PDF anyway.

My only problem with hardcopy is that although in the UK you pay $10 for a $10 dollar PDF (about £6). For a $20 dollar hardcopy book you can often end up paying £20 pounds or there abouts. Thanks to shipping costs and the like.

Still don't see how you can justify 270 pages of rules mind you. Especially if the word count is up on something like Primal Order.

If its too big and unwieldly to implement in a smaller book I'm not sure I'd be interested in it.

 

[I'm A Banana]

Hurm...

I'm interested, but wary. It seems like an OK idea for a product/campaign setting kind of thing, so I would expect a good amount of pages. It's a cool idea...

But the line about "removing the Persian pantheon" kinda concerns me....'cause if you're going to include some major pantheons, that's a whole new kettle of fish.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a book that's heavily pantheon-based, right now. It's my opinion at the moment that in order to give the pantheons they're rightful place, and entire book would have to be dedicated to each one. Otherwise, it seems a lot of flavor and style will be sacrificed.

Still, intriguing...but I'm not sure it's $15 pdf or $30 hardcopy intriguing, for a cursory look at playing gods of different pantheons. I, personally, would get much more value out of a $5 pdf or a $15-20 hardcopy that goes in-deapth to one pantheon at a time...but that's just the Myth-Geek speaking, for the most part.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi mate!

Ah but the other books aren't need to play God's.

You could play God's with just Primal Order.

Chessboards was about Planes.

Pawns was about Minions.

True, but I don't know how they waffled a full book from either Pawns or Knights to be honest.

I have almost as many Monster examples in the Immortals Handbook (as in Pawns) in less than a third of the space (and thats one page per monster entry).

Aside from the core rulebooks you only need this book to run immortal campaigns.

In fact, when I redesigned the format recently I sliced the book into three sections - a (very) rough approximation of the core rulebooks.

"The Power & the Glory"

Chapters 1-5 comprise 91 pages

Faith; Divinity; Portfolios; Powers and Feats.

"Forever & Ever"

Chapters 6-11 comprise 90 pages

Pantheons; Prestige Classes; Magic; Realms; Campaigns and Adventure.

"Amen"

Chapters 12-13 comprise 91 pages

Magic Items; Monsters and Appendices

and I've yet to get my hands on a copy of Knights. *boo whoo*

I have Knights, but not Chessboards.

So what additional stuff are you adding that we need more pages with more density.

If its all rules then its way to 'heavy' to be practical by the sounds of it. If its fluff then some of it can surely afford to be dropped.

Options. Divinity options. Portfolio options. Power options. Feat options. Pantheon options. Prestige class options. Magic options. Realm options. Campaign options. Magic item options. Monster options.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Nightfall mate!

Hardcover, Krusty Mate. Mainly because I think you deserve it.

Appreciate the love mate!

 

[Hoju]

Hardcover all the way (even though it would be close to 55$ CAN)

 

[Nightfall]

Always Krusty mate. Always! Btw, you got mail. I'd like your input as always.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello again!

I've voted hardcopy in the end because if I was going to use it then I'd want a printed version. There is probably enough rules content that you'ld need to print the whole PDF anyway.

Thanks!

My only problem with hardcopy is that although in the UK you pay $10 for a $10 dollar PDF (about £6). For a $20 dollar hardcopy book you can often end up paying £20 pounds or there abouts. Thanks to shipping costs and the like.

Can't you just buy it in the shops. I always get a pretty close approximation of current exchange rates.

Still don't see how you can justify 270 pages of rules mind you. Especially if the word count is up on something like Primal Order.

Thats like saying how can you justify 224 pages in the Monster Manual.

Don't think of it as 272 pages of rules think of it as 272 pages of options.

If its too big and unwieldly to implement in a smaller book I'm not sure I'd be interested in it.

You could implement the bare bones of the system but then you won't be covering every facet of immortal campaigns; which hass my intention from the beginning.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Re: Hurm...

Hi Kamikaze!

I'm interested, but wary.

Okay.

It seems like an OK idea for a product/campaign setting kind of thing, so I would expect a good amount of pages. It's a cool idea...

Thanks. I wouldn't describe it as a campaign setting though.

Its a rule book with a ton of options.

But the line about "removing the Persian pantheon" kinda concerns me....'cause if you're going to include some major pantheons, that's a whole new kettle of fish.

I'm not going to include any specific pantheons.

Initially I planned to include a chapter dedicated to Persian Mythology with all relevant information: customs; places of worship; gods; monsters; prestige classes; magic; artifacts etc. - specifically to show how I would detail a real world pantheon and to provide people with a wealth of campaign material.

But that idea has been divorced from the main body of work. There are no real world pantheons within the Immortals Handbook.

However, I have been in communication with people from WotC and Deities & Demigods will become part of the SRD and they have mentioned that they fully expect people to detail the Pantheons they won't be including in Deities & Demigods.

So I may release the Persian Pantheon as a standalone product in the future.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a book that's heavily pantheon-based, right now.

You know that Deities & Demigods will be heavily Pantheon based (at least half* the 224 pages will be devoted to Pantheons). It has Greyhawk; Greek and Norse Pantheons in it.

*I would anticipate two-thirds.

It's my opinion at the moment that in order to give the pantheons they're rightful place, and entire book would have to be dedicated to each one. Otherwise, it seems a lot of flavor and style will be sacrificed.

I agree. It was going to be a struggle fitting all the information I wanted to include about Persian Mythology into 48 pages. If I did it as a standalone product I would increase that to at least 64 pages.

Still, intriguing...but I'm not sure it's $15 pdf or $30 hardcopy intriguing, for a cursory look at playing gods of different pantheons. I, personally, would get much more value out of a $5 pdf or a $15-20 hardcopy that goes in-deapth to one pantheon at a time...but that's just the Myth-Geek speaking, for the most part.

You seem to be slightly confused as to the nature of the Immortal Handbook.

It does not detail real world pantheons. There is a pantheon chapter but it covers the subject generically rather than specifically - to facilitate campaigns creating their own pantheons.

I had planned to include a Persian Mythology chapter as an example of real world cultures - but this has been divorced from the main body of work; though it may perhaps see the light of day in the near future itself!? For what its worth I also had a handful of other pantheons outlined to be detailed for a follow-up product, though I can't confirm anything on that at the moment.