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Impromptu Stream with Ed Greenwood, Tim Kask, & TSR CCO


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Dire Bare

Legend
I was going to post, at least we now know that Michael is real, but . . . . he's just a disembodied voice throughout the video (at least as far as I could tell, as I skipped around a lot). I'm still not sure he's real . . . .
 

Keefe the Thief

Adventurer
There are people out there who are eating this up, I'm pretty sure. Gamergaters, comicsgaters, you name it - there is an internet of self-described victims who lash out at all those who disagree with them. It is easy to find them - they have YouTube channels, Facebook-pages and blogs. And when "TSR" played victim, their armies were ready.

It`s these people that redefined "woke" as a derogatory term. That use "social justice warrior" as an insult. Well, I like being called one. If one thing is worth being fought for it is social justice.

Sad but expected that they utilize prominent members like Greenwood for their cause. I have seen the same in many communities. Good message boards and groups of the oldschool cRPG community were turned into cesspits of righteous hate against people who are "woke" or "virtue signalling".

Let`s stand together. Let that not happen here. There are too many examples where bigotry has won in the past.
 


There are people out there who are eating this up, I'm pretty sure.
That pretty much has to be the point. I don't care how insular (or convinced that your positions are within a stone's throw of some silent majority) you are, no one at TSR version 3.whatever could have imagined that this would have helped make inroads with the mainstream gaming community. It's just tripling down on the same positions that got them excoriated in the past. That leads me to believe that we're not really the intended audience. The video (and TSR-Hobbies posting here) is a performative act, meant to re-solidify their position as taking a stand against 'wokeness' (and receiving 'persecution' because of it) amongst the people who already agree with their positions.
 


But audience for what? What's the product?

At this point, TSR(cubed) is like GRRM's next book. I'm not going to pay attention to any news of a forthcoming product until I see the PAGES.
The video. This is something to galvanize support. Support for what, I don't know either. Perhaps just Youtube views and Patreon pledges. Perhaps future product. It all depends on whether Ernie's outburst (which I'm still assuming was seen as a mistake, but even that might not be true) was met internally with 'oh no, what are we going to do?,' or with, 'I can work with this...' If it's the former, then it's plausible they are just whipping up fervor to get some fast Youtube/Patreon cash to keep the lights on while they figure out next steps. If the later, to keep eyes on them when they release Against the Woke Mob: Up Yours, Woke People (Have We Mentioned How We Think You Are Woke and We Assume Everyone Sees That As an Insult?).
 

At three hours in length, like @Morrus, I'll wait for the CliffsNotes. Is there a timestamp in particular you'd like to point out?

Knowing the stance on diversity, equity, and inclusion on ENworld (which at this point, from your conversations, I know you are aware of), using a link to a channel that mentions both "the woke mob" and Comicsgate is not a great way to advertise your company here, not without better framing.

A huge part of promotion is managing expectations and catching people's interest. Now, if you are speaking up and saying oh, I don't know, something like "trans lives matter" in that interview, I think it would help to have said something about that in your original post. Not only would it manage our expectations of the video, it appeals directly to the issues people here care about.

If you still have questions or concerns after seeing what I said there please ask, I will be happy to answer what I can. It's kind of raw on my part, I was not expecting to be invited, but I hope I made things more clear.
 


TSR-Hobbies

Michael K.H. CCO/PRO
Here's my first question: why are you using language in the video meant to rally hate and fear?

Here's my second question: does your conscience keep you up at night?
First question:
Please provide me with a time stamp reference that shows what you are talking about? I don't recall stating anything of the sort.

I was invited onto the show right about an hour and 19 minutes in.
 



TSR-Hobbies

Michael K.H. CCO/PRO
At three hours in length, like @Morrus, I'll wait for the CliffsNotes. Is there a timestamp in particular you'd like to point out?

Knowing the stance on diversity, equity, and inclusion on ENworld (which at this point, from your conversations, I know you are aware of), using a link to a channel that mentions both "the woke mob" and Comicsgate is not a great way to advertise your company here, not without better framing.

A huge part of promotion is managing expectations and catching people's interest. Now, if you are speaking up and saying oh, I don't know, something like "trans lives matter" in that interview, I think it would help to have said something about that in your original post. Not only would it manage our expectations of the video, it appeals directly to the issues people here care about.
Question:
Is there a timestamp in particular you'd like to point out?


I think the summary from 2:39:46 to 2:44:50 is pretty good. It gets many of my points across pretty well.

Now just to get out ahead of it a little, when I spoke about how I personally would handle a real world situation and not just hold my phone up, I am speaking about those that choose to simply film for their own glory or likes rather than at the very least call for help.

Also I am not attempting to make light of documenting things, I think that is a valuable and very needed thing to have happen, and I do it too, if I see a situation that doesn't need any direct assistance, I might film it and then make certain to give copies to the parties involved.

In that moment I was recalling my own personal frustration with people that just film things without the intent to help, because I have had that happen to me where I was a first responder to a situation, and when I tasked someone to call 911 they would not saying they wanted to get that sh&^ for their channel they don't care about me, so I have a personal irritation with it and it slipped out.
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
Publisher
Please please please tell me that Tim Kask and Ed Greenwood aren't on board this train wreck.
Keep in mind this is just my speculation based on what I've seen Tim post on social media and what I've heard him say on various Curmudgeon in the Cellar, but I think it's pretty likely.

Anyone who has followed Tim for a while knows he's pretty progressive and has no patience for a lot of the nonsense going around from the right wing extremists. However, he's been seeing comments like "1e was just a murder simulation to kill black people" and "anyone who likes 1e is a racist and sexist". There are plenty of those out there too, unfortunately. So he's being shows these comments as "See, the radical woke left hates you and thinks you're a racist."

I've never heard Tim use the term "woke" until very recently, and it was in a pejorative context, so I'm fairly certain what's happening is he's hearing that term in the context of being partnered with those above comments. And what happens when someone is unfairly called a racist or bigot? Then tend to get defensive and start hanging around people who are defending them.

Now, I don't think people like LaNasa cares one whit about Tim other than his association with early TSR and what he personally can gain from that, but I bet dollars to donuts he and his ilk using these comments to try to rally him to their side. The whole schtick among these people is to paint themselves as victims from the "woke leftists" and "cancel culture." I guarantee you they are feeding poison into Tim's ear and anyone else who will listen about how the left wants not only to "cancel" them, but to taint their legacy and contributions as bad and needs to be cleansed; that the left thinks they are actively harmful people to the hobby. Statements like the above certainly feed into that narrative. Heck, there are entire threads in some of these forums dedicated to organizing ways to literally, not just figuratively, fight against the "leftist menace."

Tim is a good guy. But you can only call someone a racist, bigot, and advocate for ethnic cleansing before they start getting defensive and start to entrench themselves into a side. It's a really sad thing about polarization and tribalism.

I won't spend 3 hours watching that video because I'm 99% sure that it's not going to be honest. And I have better things to do than waste 3 hours of my time. I suspect that's part of the plan. That way you can say, "where is the exact time stamp" as a way to dismiss someone dishonestly, as if all of the other toxic comments on twitter, FB, youtube, and other places never existed.
 






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