Improved Toughness

[Darkness]

That's what I've done in my campaign. Even so, nobody wants to spend a feat on it.

Same here. Improved Toughness is so-so, but Toughness is a very, very crappy feat.

 

[Jdvn1]

That's why I'm appalled when people advance monsters and give them nothing but Toughness as their feats...

 

[kenobi65]

How would this affect the x Toughness feats from Masters of the Wild? Or should those feats just be ignored altogether?

Given that Improved Toughness is 3.5, if you're using it, I wouldn't use the 3E MotW Toughness feats as well.

 

[Crothian]

That's why I'm appalled when people advance monsters and give them nothing but Toughness as their feats...

THe Tarrasque has a few of them.....

 

[Jdvn1]

THe Tarrasque has a few of them.....

Not my tarrasques...

 

[Gez]

Well that would REALLY discourage a player from taking any of the Toughness feats, making each a pre-req for the next. Every single one of the player's feats would end up going towards it. Seems a bit much to me.

Depends. One of my players took it for his character. Granted, the character is now a dwarven defender. But still, I wouldn't be surprised if he advances a bit in the feat chain. For a fighter, 3 feats in order to heal up to 12 ability points in each damaged ability score each day of rest seems not to be a bad idea. (Plus the 4xlevel +20 hit points.)

Oh, and they aren't all a prereq for the next. The tree is as such:

   Toughness
       /\
      /  \
Improved  \
Toughness  \
            \
          Dwarf's
         Toughness
             |
             |
             |
          Giant's
         Toughness
             |
             |
             |
          Dragon's
         Toughness

And last thing not to forgot, with two feats (Toughness+Dwarf's Toughness), you get a +1 bonus on each healing spell that targets you. Cure minor wounds heals 2 hp for you! And spells that give you temporary hp get even more boosted. With the four feats of the chain, a false life spells would give you 1d10+caster level+4 temporary hp -- up to 24, in other words. Come on, it's a bargain!

 

[CM]

Like some of the others here, I've simply houseruled Toughness to +1 HP per HD. There still aren't very many characters who take it--it's usually just the fighters who don't know what to do with all their feats.

 

[HeavyG]

In my book, Toughness as it stands should be trashed and Improved Toughness made the standard. Besides my DM giving the NPC's/ BBEG's/ or Monsters the feat, nobody in my group ever gives there characters Toughness.

Same here.

Or maybe I'd combine Toughness and Endurance.

 

[Darkness]

Not my tarrasques...

I've been thinking about that. Technically, it would qualify for a lot of epic feats, so...

 

[Buddha the DM]

Interesting points all around.