Improved Trip and Great Cleave?

[Zentermi]

Do these two work together?

Seems even deadlier than WWA/GC combo...

Trip - Follow-up - Kill
Trip - Follow-up - Kill
Trip - Follow-up - Kill

I mean it seems easier to trip than attack normally... if you pick yer targets right. Then you get the prone bonus on the follow-up.

I'm newish to 3e, so go easy on me. Maybe it's not so simple.

 

[dcollins]

Edit: I think that's fine. The only thing you're gaining is the prone bonus, at the cost of possibly being counter-tripped on failure.

The truly degenerate problem with Whirlwind/Cleave is getting to rack up many Cleaves on a single powerful enemy, which is not a possibility here (any non-kill reduces the iterative attack bonus).

And just to be clear, you don't get a Cleave just by tripping someone (not that that's what you're asserting).

 

[Zentermi]

Yep, I knew that cleave part at least. I wasn't aware of counter-trip tho'.

 

[Mahali]

Are you asking if you can cleave when you trip someone? The answer is no.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Are you asking if you can cleave when you trip someone? The answer is no.

I think he's asking if you can Cleave if you kill someone with the follow-up attack from Improved Trip.

-Hyp.

 

[Zentermi]

If you Improved Trip someone, and your follow-up attack on your prone target kills him, that allows a cleave.

Which should allow you another attack, which lets you improved trip again, attack your prone target (potentially killing him)to potentially start the whole thing again.

I'm not certain your answering my question(perhaps I did not state it clearly). I know you cannot cleave if you trip someone, only when you incapacitate them.

 

[Crothian]

Ya, your fine. Any attack that kills someone activiates great cleave.

 

[Hypersmurf]

It works, but you're potentially tripling your chances of breaking your Cleave chain. If you miss your trip touch attack, or flub your opposed check, or miss your follow-up attack, any of those will break the chain.

Also if your attack doesn't deal enough damage to kill, but that's not a difference between a whack-'em Great Cleave and a trip-'em-and-whack-'em Great Cleave.

-Hyp.

 

[Mahali]

It would also require a tripping a weapon since with a cleave you have to use the same weapon and trips are usually unarmed.

 

[Zentermi]

Thanks fer allaying my suspicions.

I had some concerns. Main one being it's easier to Melee touch someone and then attack them prone than just flat-out whacking 'em. The counter trip thing, I had not known about.

Doesn't seem too crazy.