D&D (2024) Command is the Perfect Encapsulation of Everything I Don't Like About 5.5e

[mellored]

Only because it seems relevant to this back and forth... What is the appropriate level for a 1 round dominate spell with "save negates?"

Probably 4 if your talking about humanoids.
Same level as dominant beast.
And 1 level before domain person.

 

[mamba]

God doesn't take free will away in the old testament.

so hardening pharaoh’s heart was not taking free will away?

Apart from that, there are other gods too

 

[mellored]

Apart from that, there are other gods too

Fair.

Command definitely seems like a god of Tyranny thing.

 

[Micah Sweet]

so hardening pharaoh’s heart was not taking free will away?

Apart from that, there are other gods too

Clerics were not in any way based on modern views of Christianity.

 

[mamba]

I have to say, the hair you seem to be splitting is so fine I can't see it either.

There's no real difference between coming up with creative Commands and coming up with creative uses for other spells or effects

it’s not that hard, one is a creative use of a well defined spell (eg goodberry in the baking contest), the other is a creative use of a very vaguely defined spell (command)

Figuring out whether that creative application is within the rules and intent of the spell is easier in the first case than in the second. No one would eg argue that you can poison the town well by throwing some goodberries in it, command is much more open ended

 

[mamba]

Clerics were not in any way based on modern views of Christianity.

that is fine, but even so I’d argue against the ‘this never happens in the OT’ point, just maybe not on this forum

 

[Micah Sweet]

that is fine, but even so I’d argue against the ‘this never happens in the OT’ point, just maybe not on this forum

So would I. That's what I was trying to say. The OT is not particularly reflective of modern Christianity to my understanding.

 

[mamba]

I would buy that, but you're posting in topics specific to the new game: if you don't care about 5.5 and have no interest in it, why are you commenting on the PHB?

I’d argue this topic is more about TTRPG design philosophy than a comparison of a single 2014 vs 2024 spell

 

[mamba]

The OT is not particularly reflective of modern Christianity to my understanding.

neither is the NT as far as I can tell, but now we are getting really off topic

 

[Micah Sweet]

I’d argue this topic is more about TTRPG design philosophy than a comparison of a single 2014 vs 2024 spell

That is certainly how I've been treating it. It just uses the context of the Command spell.