In Praise of the Fluff-Light Monster Manual (Forked: Ecology of the Dragonborn up)

I agree. While fluff is extremely important it is just as important to keep it separate from the crunch. I've always preferred books with separate sections. It's sooo much easier to look up stuff when it's concentrated in a rules appendix.

The 4E PHB and MM are really just reference book - all rules, almost no fluff. That's going to be a big advantage when the books are used during play.

The 4E DMG is a bit different. Some chapters concentrate on advice, some contain rules and some have a mix of both. At least most of the crunchy bits are concentrated in the toolbox chapter.

Nonetheless, 4E is lacking in the fluff department so far. If they'll release ecology articles for all the races, that'll be one big step in the right direction. Actually, I prefer the DDI articles to be light on crunch.
E.g. I didn't care much about the 'Bazaar of the Bizarre'. It's unlikely I'm ever going to use any of these items in the game just like I never used any of the magic items appearing in any of the 3E splat books - except the Magic Item Compendium.

When I'm writing an adventure and try to decide which treasure to place in it, I'll never start flipping through all of the supplements and scanning all of the online articles. I'll only ever look at a compilation of magic items.

Now, if the items from DDI articles were put into an item database along with all of the items from print products, they would actually be useful. It's also something WotC initially promised. But unfortunately they seem to have dropped the idea.

Ah, well, I'm starting to ramble, better stop now. :P

You need to take a look at the Compendium. It is now up and running, and they have hundreds of magic items in there. O_O (But then they put every gradient of "+" item in there, so that's fluffing it up a bit.)
 
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You need to take a look at the Compendium. It is now up and running, and they have hundreds of magic items in there. O_O

No, they only have the items that are in the PHB, which is a really limited selection compared to what we use to have in 3rd Ed.

They still haven't even added the stuff from last months magazines.
 

Time (They're still working on it). My point being that it won't be lacking for 4e. You won't need to look through every book. Just pop up the Compendium, and you'll find it all. Being searchable, it will be really easy. And if at any time they're missing any book's input, you won't need you're entire library. You'll only need the one missing book.
 

When I'm writing an adventure and try to decide which treasure to place in it, I'll never start flipping through all of the supplements and scanning all of the online articles. I'll only ever look at a compilation of magic items.
No, they only have the items that are in the PHB, which is a really limited selection compared to what we use to have in 3rd Ed.

They still haven't even added the stuff from last months magazines.

My Treasure Trove has all the magic items from Dungeon, Dragon and the PHB readily searchable by type and level. *coughshamelessplug*

Time (They're still working on it).

Took me about 5 hours to whip that up, and that's including all the time it took me to type all the items up and put them in a database.

I think until the MIC (or whatever it is called) for 4E comes out, that the Bazaar of the Bizarre is filling a useful service, sense we are pretty starved for items at the moment. I imagine once the MIC is out, then the Bazaar articles will have much for fluff and less items.

There are over 800 items overall, 239 distinct ones, between the PHB and Dungeon/Dragon magazines. I think starved might be a bit of an exaggeration...

EDIT: Changed number of distinct ones because I checked it and was estimating way too high.
 
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Having spent the last couple of days looking through the MM, I have to say it's absolutely brilliant for my purposes. Evocative and interesting tidbits and ideas, but the maximum amount of space devoted to actual statblocks and interesting powers.
 

Naw, I still prefer the long winded descriptions that are full of fluff. I am especially fond of the Van Richten's Monster Hunter's compendium. I even liked the old Volo's Guides.
 

There are over 800 items overall, almost 300 distinct ones, between the PHB and Dungeon/Dragon magazines. I think starved might be a bit of an exaggeration...

I think there were less than 200 distinct items in the PHB/DMG/MM, and many of them would not be applicable to all classes, hence my point that the Bazaar article needed to be mainly crunch at this point.
 


Yeah, I think the 4th Ed MM is my favourite D&D product to date.

My first D&D book was the original 1st Ed AD&D MM – my older brother gave it to me, and I used to gaze at it in awe, totally unaware of what all those funny numbers and abbreviations meant next to the critter (later he gave me all the 1st Ed books and off I went!).

The new MM has brought back a little of that wonder.
 

I have no problem with a lack of fluff if the crunch is interesting enough to make up for it. Not always the case... looking at you Hydra.
 

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