Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull [spoilers]

Olgar Shiverstone said:
Really? If you say so. I'm not sure I'm seeing it.
It took me some looking, but I THINK I see what he means.

[sblock]I believe he's referring to your mention of Marion. That's the only thing I can see as slightly spoilerific, and while its not that bad...I guess some people could be bothered by knowing she was in it ahead of time.

But if it ain't that, I gots no idea.[/sblock]
 

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Well, I'll hide that then, but it's been pretty widely reported (on page 2 of this thread no less), and the opening credits are a dead giveaway, so I hardly see that as a spoiler.
 

Nice cameo in the crate. :D


And
"I'm getting a bad feeling about this" was a nice line-cameo.
:D
 

Honestly, I didn't like it. Here's a pretty big list of what it was I hated:

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* Indy survives a nuclear attack. I groaned at this part, and seriously considered leaving the theatre. A guy who wore a fedora to the theatre did, at this point.

* Aliens? I like the idea of hinting towards aliens at the beginning, but to have them be the focus of the movie? Nah. And why, oh WHY did we have to see the damned aliens?

* I always figured the story should be set towards achaeology. In this movie, he's using his archaeology to get to a non-arch. goal. Not a fan, there. Also, and this one took me a while to get but it nagged at me until I realized it - in the other films, we have Indy following archaeological rules. Granted, he's no real archaeologist, but the IDEA of the story is based around that. In this movie, he's following pseudoarchaeological rules. In fact, the premise of the movie is pretty much the premise of the book "Chariots of the Gods", which is the PROTOTYPICAL Pseudoarchaeological book! It's a minor point, but I'm an anthropology/archaeology nerd.

* The monkeys in a jungle were so bad, that my girlfriend couldn't stop laughing. ANd not in a good way. What was with a Tarzan Shia LeBoeuf?

* Psychic Russians, for some reason, ruined it all for me.
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There were some parts I loved. The motorcycle chase (with the student at the end), the jungle scene, and whatnot. I enjoyed picking up on the anachronisms that were deliberately put in (like how the Russians had a DUKW, an american amphibious jeep... much like the original WW1 churchhill tank, of which only 6 prototypes were ever made, appearing in arab hands in the Last Crusade). Fire Ants = Cool. But most of it just had me rolling my eyes, and wishing I was anywhere else.
 

Saw it this afternoon. And I really liked it despite going pretty far afield.

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"Indy survives a nuclear attack. I groaned at this part, and seriously considered leaving the theatre. A guy who wore a fedora to the theatre did, at this point."-Wik

@ I agree there, they went massively overboard with the nuke thing. They could have even kept the 'survive teh nuke' incident but done it less ridiculously. Often the test structures were built at a distance well outside the thermal bloom but still close enough to be knocked down. And while they went massively overboard the fridge scene had some basis. At all those above ground test sites the single most survivable object in or around a common American home was the refrigerator. Which would often be found intact even with the rest of the house collapsed around it, but they used to built fridges a LOT more strongly than they do now.

"Aliens? I like the idea of hinting towards aliens at the beginning, but to have them be the focus of the movie? Nah. And why, oh WHY did we have to see the damned aliens?"-Wik
@ As soon as I heard it would involve a crystal skull I knew it would involve aliens. They're just too connected in pop culture for anything else. And the way it involved them was largely as I expected but in a way it was fitting. At the time they were dealing with there was a big hysteria on about the UFO phenomena and how they tied things together made a fitting, if at times campy, plot element.

"I always figured the story should be set towards achaeology. In this movie, he's using his archaeology to get to a non-arch. goal. Not a fan, there. Also, and this one took me a while to get but it nagged at me until I realized it - in the other films, we have Indy following archaeological rules. Granted, he's no real archaeologist, but the IDEA of the story is based around that. In this movie, he's following pseudoarchaeological rules. In fact, the premise of the movie is pretty much the premise of the book "Chariots of the Gods", which is the PROTOTYPICAL Pseudoarchaeological book! It's a minor point, but I'm an anthropology/archaeology nerd."-Wik
@ Can't bring any disagreements there. It was very much pseudo-archaeology, and a direct rip-off of CotG. They jump straight from one implausible bit to another, but it was done with enough flair and humor for me to accept it as what it was. Including a not so subtle dig at the issues in prior Indy movies.

"The monkeys in a jungle were so bad, that my girlfriend couldn't stop laughing. ANd not in a good way. What was with a Tarzan Shia LeBoeuf?"-Wik
@ QFT, the monkeys and the Tarzan part were the worst part of the movie, just ridiculous.

"Psychic Russians, for some reason, ruined it all for me."-Wik
Actually I interpreted it differently as one of the most entertaining parts of the movie. At the time depicted both the US and CCCP were engaged in attempts to utilize what have been termed "psychic weapons/perceptions." And it was ridiculous, patently so, but we were so intense any potential weapon no matter how nonsensical could NOT be ignored. And I took away from it that she had absolutely she herself didn't have any such powers, it was all in her head. And her fate was supreme irony as she was destroyed by the powers she had not possessed before and wished to gain.
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The motorcycle chase was great, despite how ridiculous the ants scene got (fire ants are small as are most army ants and if you are mobile they will NOT manage to kill you) it was still great fun. The anachronisms were strangely mixed.

They had what they called a "duck". But it was not a DUKW as you'll note it was smaller with only 4 wheels and a single rear axle. Nor even the GPA Ford's amphibious Jeep that never reached production. From what I saw it was in fact not the duck but the GAZ-46, a genuine Russian vehicle made in imitation of the Ford GPA.
 

(fire ants are small as are most army ants and if you are mobile they will NOT manage to kill you)

It's sort of in the same category as them talking about "giant vampire bats" in Temple of Doom, when in fact what they showed were large but harmless fruitbats.

There are ants as big as those shown in the movie. And they've been known to carpet entire swathes of jungle, killing everything in their paths.

OTOH, some of the behaviors they showed--like the ants forming "pillars," climbing on each other to try to reach prey--are traits of much smaller ant varieties.

So while most of what they showed (with the possible exception of carrying a full-grown body, no matter how numerous they might be) is possible for ants, it's not all possible for the same ants.
 

Mouseferatu said:
It's sort of in the same category as them talking about "giant vampire bats" in Temple of Doom, when in fact what they showed were large but harmless fruitbats.
@ There are ants as big as those shown in the movie but most are small colony ants and only a very few species of swarming ants are that size.
@ The one species of swarming army ants that big I know of are African, not South American. And while they are destructive they only kill things that can't move OUT of their path. A thing that only happens to mammals above the size of a housecat if they're immobilized. Even human frequently encounter such ants and survive by moving faster than them, very few medium to large size mammals don't.
@ Some behaviors like climbing they showed are in the repetoire of army ants but like you pointed out only much smaller ant species.
@Most of what they showed is possible for ants at least theoretically, no ant species shows all of the traits from the movie. And even if they did, it's basically unheard of for any human not rendered immobile to ever be killed by ants. Barring the heavily poisonous ones like the Bulldog ants of course but they're poisonous because they're largely solitary. Humans move faster than even the fastest real army ant swarm and can maintain that speed for sufficient time to escape.
 


Mouseferatu said:
Oh, I wasn't arguing that it's an impossible scene (albeit no more impossible than many similar ones throughout the series). ;)
Nope plenty of similar scenes, and I realized what you were saying. For the most part I just flew along because they were cool scenes and that's what I'd come to see. The last, best Indy movie. Only exception really was the Nuke test scene. But I still had to call it out.
 


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